New electric connection - is a smart meter mandatory?

[nst68]

You need to balancing the saving against this happening in the middle of the night

We used to turn the dishwasher last thing at night, but were very lucky that this happened in the evening when we awake and the fire brigade arrived within 10mins to put it out.

 

[Haggisman]

Edit 2: Removed personal information.

You're rows on a database, nobody has to care about you to find you in a select query.
The times and dates of energy usage, when they inevitably get stolen and uploaded to a tor site, will be a burglars wet dream.
Optimal times to rob your house, feel free to love it, that's your choice.

The energy company will benefit from your and others data for predictive analysis.
How good is their security, will they share that data to others in the same shell corporation?
Do they truly comply with privacy by design or use your data in dev and OAT environments?
Will foreign contractors see your unobfuscated records in test data, is the data stored in the UK?

I'm a professional in this field and ignorance is bliss.

It's going to be some pretty sophisticated burglar who can actually do anything with that data however, you know, the kind who would be better off putting those skills to use making some decent money from financial fraud or getting an actual job as a data analyst, rather than kicking your door in to steal your TV and PS4 to flog at Cash Converters for £50 to get their next fix.

I can just imagine Dean and Wayne sat there, basking in the glow of their PC monitors, writing complex SQL scripts to analyse electricity usage over time, cross-referenced against a database of appliance consumption details to identify the likely home contents, using an API link to CEX to determine likely selling costs of those contents, all to project the optimum property to rob for maximum gain vs the distance required to travel (to offset costs).

It would be like that scene from Swordfish. Except instead of Halle Berry, you've got a couple of spotty 30 year olds in trackies with a crack pipe in 1 hand and a can of special brew in the other.

...as someone else posted, sitting outside your house and waiting for you to leave for work is going to be far easier and more reliable!

 

[Armageus]

You need to balancing the saving against this happening in the middle of the night

We used to turn the dishwasher last thing at night, but were very lucky that this happened in the evening when we awake and the fire brigade arrived within 10mins to put it out.

Whilst I appreciate it's clearly not a nice thing to have had happen, it is a bit scaremongerish.

Personally I have plenty of devices switched on either overnight or whilst I have left the house without worry. Could my phone charger explode and catch fire whilst I'm sleeping? - absolutely, is the risk worth worrying about? - no.

 

[Trifid]

We used to turn the dishwasher last thing at night, but were very lucky that this happened in the evening when we awake and the fire brigade arrived within 10mins to put it out.

Looks horrific and is not something anyone would want to discover any time of the day or night. Did your fire alarms alert you? Or did you discover it before it got to that stage? Looking at the half hourly tariff, setting it to start at 8pm looks like a good compromise.

 

[flea.rider]

Unless you also believe climate change is a myth.

why yes i do believe man made climate change is a myth .. but you yourself will be saying this in 10-15 yrs ..as will most people .
and yes i do believe that over the next 30 yrs the temp of this planet will drop by about 2-3c.and as heat is just uncomfortable cold will kill millions directly and indirectly.
but hey .. i'm just a loon right .. so go about your everyday things and laugh as much as you like ..
just remember to buy some warm clothes

 

[tres]

why yes i do believe man made climate change is a myth .. but you yourself will be saying this in 10-15 yrs ..as will most people .
and yes i do believe that over the next 30 yrs the temp of this planet will drop by about 2-3c.and as heat is just uncomfortable cold will kill millions directly and indirectly.
but hey .. i'm just a loon right .. so go about your everyday things and laugh as much as you like ..
just remember to buy some warm clothes

 

[montymint]

why yes i do believe man made climate change is a myth .. but you yourself will be saying this in 10-15 yrs ..as will most people .
and yes i do believe that over the next 30 yrs the temp of this planet will drop by about 2-3c.and as heat is just uncomfortable cold will kill millions directly and indirectly.
but hey .. i'm just a loon right .. so go about your everyday things and laugh as much as you like ..
just remember to buy some warm clothes

so if you don't believe that man made climate change exists, then why are you blabbing about the co2 emmissions of wind farm production? It doesn't matter right? Co2 is absolutely not causing the earth to warm now according to you is it?

 

[Trifid]

so if you don't believe that man made climate change exists, then why are you blabbing about the co2 emmissions of wind farm production? It doesn't matter right? Co2 is absolutely not causing the earth to warm now according to you is it?

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[200sols]

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Haha.

 

[stuman]

Haha.

I like it

 

[flea.rider]

so if you don't believe that man made climate change exists, then why are you blabbing about the co2 emmissions of wind farm production? It doesn't matter right? Co2 is absolutely not causing the earth to warm now according to you is it?

well no it's not .. but things like methane , sulphur Nitrous oxide Fluorophore Trichlorofluoromethane are 10-1000 times worst ..
co2 is plant food .. and has been way higher than today .. btw anything under 300ppm and everything starts dying ..
but dumping a few thousand tonnes of cement into the oceans around turbines is killing the oceans round them ..
but plz laugh ..but buy some warm clothes

 

[tres]

well no it's not .. but things like methane , sulphur Nitrous oxide Fluorophore Trichlorofluoromethane are 10-1000 times worst ..
co2 is plant food .. and has been way higher than today .. btw anything under 300ppm and everything starts dying ..
but dumping a few thousand tonnes of cement into the oceans around turbines is killing the oceans round them ..
but plz laugh ..but buy some warm clothes

Just a random question for you...

What shape do you think planet earth is?

 

[flea.rider]

Just a random question for you...

What shape do you think planet earth is?

it's round ? question for you do you think the earth works in cycles ? ....1000yr 600yr 300 yr ?

 

[tres]

it's round ? question for you do you think the earth works in cycles ? ....1000yr 600yr 300 yr ?

I just have no motivation to debate scientific fact with you.
Have a nice evening - remember to shield yourself from 5g, don't ever get government controlled vaccinations, get indoors if you see chem trails and jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

 

[flea.rider]

I just have no motivation to debate scientific fact with you.
Have a nice evening - remember to shield yourself from 5g, don't ever get government controlled vaccinations, get indoors if you see chem trails and jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams.

lol .. 1 out of 4 .... you pick .. just tell me what happened 1000 yrs ago ... and don't forget buy some warm clothes

 

[darael]

I was going to ask my new energy provider, Green Energy, if they could replace my SMETS1 smart meter with a SMETS2 meter. But I recently read about SMETS3, so I thought why put in another meter which will probably need replacing with yet another in however many years time?

I'm happy enough taking monthly readings manually from my meter. The IHD helps with electric readings, but gas readings can sometimes be out by one unit due to the varying calorific value throughout the year.

My advice would be to wait for SMETS3 now. What do you have to gain or even lose?

 

[tres]

lol .. 1 out of 4 .... you pick .. just tell me what happened 1000 yrs ago ... and don't forget buy some warm clothes

Haha.... 5G?

 

[flea.rider]

Haha.... 5G?

no don't be silly ... use logic ..

 

[tres]

no don't be silly ... use logic ..

Well none of them are based on logic so I'm at a loss!

 

[Semple]

there is half hourly pricing available now. As long as you can defer your most energy sapping activities until the cheapest times of the day then you can save a large chunk of change.

today is quite an average day price wise with the time on the left and price per kWh on the right.

00:00 - 00:30 6.30
00:30 - 01:00 5.12
01:00 - 01:30 5.04
01:30 - 02:00 5.29
02:00 - 02:30 6.26
02:30 - 03:00 5.88
03:00 - 03:30 6.26
03:30 - 04:00 5.46
04:00 - 04:30 5.88
04:30 - 05:00 6.26
05:00 - 05:30 8.32
05:30 - 06:00 8.99
06:00 - 06:30 9.24
06:30 - 07:00 9.16
07:00 - 07:30 9.24
07:30 - 08:00 11.47
08:00 - 08:30 12.07
08:30 - 09:00 11.42
09:00 - 09:30 11.99
09:30 - 10:00 11.03
10:00 - 10:30 11.03
10:30 - 11:00 10.08
11:00 - 11:30 10.16
11:30 - 12:00 9.83
12:00 - 12:30 9.41
12:30 - 13:00 8.40
13:00 - 13:30 8.15
13:30 - 14:00 7.64
14:00 - 14:30 7.73
14:30 - 15:00 7.14
15:00 - 15:30 6.91
15:30 - 16:00 7.46
16:00 - 16:30 20.75
16:30 - 17:00 23.00
17:00 - 17:30 23.08
17:30 - 18:00 25.33
18:00 - 18:30 25.47
18:30 - 19:00 26.23
19:00 - 19:30 12.68
19:30 - 20:00 11.42
20:00 - 20:30 9.91
20:30 - 21:00 8.82
21:00 - 21:30 9.45
21:30 - 22:00 7.73
22:00 - 22:30 7.25
22:30 - 23:00 6.13


I would say average tariff price in the uk is around 14p so as you can see, ever other hour of the day is between a little cheaper and a LOT cheaper. But then it goes crazy between 4-7pm.

don’t get me wrong, there are expensive days, recently, there was a very calm period and only managed to save around 10% for a few days and even 1 day where it was 3% MORE than average (think we cooked dinner between 4-7 as well). But this is massively outweighed by the savings.

Honestly it’s saved us loads. We used to spend around £120 a month average over the year, we are now keeping it around £50 but winter is coming.... so budgeting around £30/month for heating at <8p/kWh gives us 4ish+ hours of 3kw heating which should be plenty with the log burner running from 4-7....

we looked at our usage as we were with Ovo and realised that we could make it work with a little thought. Then with the no minimum period and £50 (referral link) for switching we made the jump and were amazed.

Got an example of pricing over the weekend? As that's where i guess i can see things becoming more expensive as more people are at home during weekends.

How does Octopus work with gas? or are they only an electric supplier?

You need to balancing the saving against this happening in the middle of the night

We used to turn the dishwasher last thing at night, but were very lucky that this happened in the evening when we awake and the fire brigade arrived within 10mins to put it out.

Did you find out the cause of the fire? (switching it on at night isn't a cause). Either the socket is overloaded, not enough ventilation at the back of the appliance - think these are usually the two main causes.