AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

adriancal · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:20

When will these be up for pre order?

cliffy · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:21

Thinking i will upgrade to 5950x, £300 sound reasonable for my 3900X, just wondering what price to list it at??

mushtafa · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:22

So who's going to list their 3900 in the MM for a bargain price?

_chief_ · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:25

pc-guy said:
to be honest reading your posts you sound like he’ll bend on buying intel regardless what AMD can do. You might as go for it. No point in asking for opinions of your mind is dead set.

looking at the 5900x single core performance and the bench marks, the 5600x for sure will beat 10600k in every respect.

AMD K6 166, Celeron 333A, Duron 600 <3, Athlon 64, some ***** from intel, i5 sandy bridge and now i7-4790K. Please do not make assumptions. I'm not rich so I always try to make best out of my money.

The Old School Gamer · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:27

Shame about the price tag on the 5800X, seams a little steep next to the 5900X.

Gerard · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:33

adriancal said:
When will these be up for pre order?

_chief_ · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:42

pc-guy said:
Too early to say 5600x is not gonna be equally good. The CCX design of a 6core and 12 core should be identical. The 5900x boosts higher on stock setting and enjoys slightly larger cache. The former will likely to be negated when the CPU is overclocked. And the latter is unlikely to affect that many games.

wait for the reviews to come out and see a) how well the 5600x can clock and b) how it does in games.

I agree it is too early to tell for def what kinda performance to expect from 5600x and I agree waiting for the actual benchmark will be the best course of action. But before we get there isn't it nice to speculate a bit?

I suspect it will surpass i5 and therefore for the same money you are better off with 5600x and save some money on motherboards.

On stock clock in games you are probably right. But can you agree that [email protected] is better for gaming than 3600X and actually closer to i9? So in that case I think, that when it comes to 5600X, it potentially could be as good as overclocked 10600K. WIll it be better? It depends on overclocking. True, we do not know that yet, but did any previous RYZEN gave us the reason to think that Zen 3 is gonna overclock well? Not really. And the price? Well - 300$->282pounds with tax. To me it looks like 30 pounds more than 10600K. And I am not looking for cheapest mobo, so please forget about the price difference, because it's marginal.

Also it is listing price, when sales season starts you will get discounts or additional items so that will make the ryzen much more attractive especially if they beat intel on games.

True of course, but I am craving for new toys

I can wait until beginning of November, but Black Friday would stretch my patience

Following that I could wait until March for new intels, then I could wait for Zen 4 etc.

N19h7m4r3 · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:49

snips86x said:
Yup!!

After going 4790k > 3600 > 5900x, I think that'll be me done for another number of years.
I loved the tease on the GPU though, that thing looks awesome!!

I'm happy with that tease as well. If I can't get a 3090 for my workstation by then, I'll snap top the top Navi card. The 3080 with it's 10GB VRAM just isn't enough for work, and play.

Want to have the machine last me ages again.

NinjaCool · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:50

So in basically just a year, AMD has beat Intel’s entire 2015-2020 IPC advances

_chief_ · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:52

Aretak said:
I don't think that's probable at all. A 10900K is already an overclocked 10600K and then some, and there's been very little difference for gaming between Ryzen SKUs so far. If anything, the single-CCD chip might even perform a little better. I'd expect it to be slightly faster than an overclocked 10600K. There's also literally zero reason to even consider X570 over B550 (or even B450 unless you want a PCIe 4.0 SSD, which you can't have with Intel), whereas you have to buy Z490 for Intel. That's not to say the 10600K is a bad option (I have one), but it's certainly not as cut and dried as you make it sound.

Yes, makes sense with the processor.

When it comes to the mobo. My friend can get me Z490 Aorus Ultra for about 200 pounds. 3x m2 slots, decent thermal design, etc. basically it's the same price as B550 with similar or even slightly worse features. I still think thak PCIe 4.0 is a gimmick at the moment and by the time I will have to upgrade my 3080, I will most likely have to upgrade CPU too.

snips86x · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:52

NinjaCool said:
So in basically just a year, AMD has beat Intel’s entire 2015-2020 IPC advances

It shows they've been working hard at it as well. They absolutely deserve it.

RavenXXX2 · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:56

NinjaCool said:
So in basically just a year, AMD has beat Intel’s entire 2015-2020 IPC advances

Zen 3 is 6% faster than tiger lake at same clocks, you can add 2021 to that as well.

Gerard · 8 Oct 2020 at 21:59

NinjaCool said:
So in basically just a year, AMD has beat Intel’s entire 2015-2020 IPC advances

That's when intel was in drip feed mode, from around the bulldozer release. They will crank up the pressure at some point but they did get caught with their pants down to say the least.

snips86x · 8 Oct 2020 at 22:00

Gerard said:

Funny that!!
Nope, no pre orders, just gotta wait for stock to drop

Dubyah · 8 Oct 2020 at 22:01

i decided to reward AMD this time around, intel up to way to many shenanigans to deserve my money for a while.

markymoo · 8 Oct 2020 at 22:29

Thinking if treating myself to a 5900 as price prob close to 5800.
Currently got i7 2600k at 4.3ghz, so this should be a bit faster.

One thing to ask. (Hope ok to ask here)
I bought a retail copy of Windows 7 (or was it 8 erm anyways) I had a free upgrade to change to Windows 10.
Of I did a full upgrade. How would I go about using Windows 10. Could I somehow claim it and create a disk? Or would I need to buy retail again? (Big cost to poss think about)

will13 · 8 Oct 2020 at 22:31

markymoo said:
Thinking if treating myself to a 5900 as price prob close to 5800.
Currently got i7 2600k at 4.3ghz, so this should be a bit faster.

One thing to ask. (Hope ok to ask here)
I bought a retail copy of Windows 7 (or was it 8 erm anyways) I had a free upgrade to change to Windows 10.
Of I did a full upgrade. How would I go about using Windows 10. Could I somehow claim it and create a disk? Or would I need to buy retail again? (Big cost to poss think about)

IIRC your key is linked to your account, so once you log in it should activate windows, but I'm not 100% positive on that because I sail the high seas

alec · 8 Oct 2020 at 22:31

_chief_ said:
So, after watching the presentation, I have the dilemma....

Looking to upgrade 4790K. Was lucky and bought 3080 in the lottery. MOSTLY gaming and entertainment @1440p

Give me ONE (or two ) good reason why should I get 3600X (or wait for 5600X) over i5 10600K@5GHz??? In gaming it gets close to i9.
If 5900X is going to be faster than i9 (realistically speaking probably 5-7% @1440p), then 5600X is PROBABLY not going to touch overclocked 10600K, which you can get for 250 pounds? 5900X is probably gonna be 550 pounds, Z490 vs X570 prices are similar.

So the way I see it, 10600K@5GHz seems like a best choice in my case?

Can't say without benchmarks.
If overclocking, 10600K may just come out ahead of 5600X. Although averaged gaming gap between them was 13% on AMD slides. Tough to close that.
But you are paying more for a OC capable motherboard and cooling for Intel. Which are optional with AMD.

5600X seems a solid pick up for anyone. Except I made up my mind to go for 8 cores or more. And the 8 core part is a tougher sell

Arg, 4 weeks to wait for actual benchmarks. I will go crazy trying to decide whether chasing that absolute top perf of 5950X is worth it or if the 8 core could be overclocked

Really curious how 3950X to 5950X improvement is significantly bigger than 3900X to 5900X on those slides
Ashes 28% vs 19%
Farcry 29% vs 22%
Total War 13% vs 6%

FranciscoMDDF · 8 Oct 2020 at 22:34

enigma27 said:
Both. I use it for gaming and working from home with a few different VMS running and also will be streaming. Currently have a 1080 GPU but trying to pick up a 3080

Well if its unusable then if i were you, and if you are set on buying AMD, then buy an x570 or B550 since you are gonna need one anyways for zen 3 and try getting one of those bundles that comes with a ryzen 5 3600. Standalone those chips go for £180, which you can probably sell second hand on ebay for 100-150 after you get your zen 3 chip. If 6 cores isnt enough, and you NEED 8+ cores then I would just wait till november and try and snag a zen 3. Demand will probably be nothing like the 3080 but im imagining they will still sell out quickly.

VortexA1 · 8 Oct 2020 at 22:43

alec said:
Can't say without benchmarks.
If overclocking, 10600K may just come out ahead of 5600X. Although averaged gaming gap between them was 13% on AMD slides. Tough to close that.
But you are paying more for a OC capable motherboard and cooling for Intel. Which are optional with AMD.

5600X seems a solid pick up for anyone. Except I made up my mind to go for 8 cores or more. And the 8 core part is a tougher sell

Arg, 4 weeks to wait for actual benchmarks. I will go crazy trying to decide whether chasing that absolute top perf of 5950X is worth it or if the 8 core could be overclocked

Really curious how 3950X to 5950X improvement is significantly bigger than 3900X to 5900X on those slides

You recommending intel compared to these new Ryzens?