AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

[alec]

You recommending intel compared to these new Ryzens?

no
Just weighing the overclock option. And I think even with Intel overclocked 5600X stays on top.

 

[Mercutio]

At the point AMD is: Faster, cheaper, less power, less heat, less total cost of ownership and less expensive to upgrade going forward but Intel still "looks better"... it's probably worth just buying Intel and getting it over with

 

[easyrider]

So, after watching the presentation, I have the dilemma....

Looking to upgrade 4790K. Was lucky and bought 3080 in the lottery. MOSTLY gaming and entertainment @1440p

Give me ONE (or two ) good reason why should I get 3600X (or wait for 5600X) over i5 10600K@5GHz??? In gaming it gets close to i9.
If 5900X is going to be faster than i9 (realistically speaking probably 5-7% @1440p), then 5600X is PROBABLY not going to touch overclocked 10600K, which you can get for 250 pounds? 5900X is probably gonna be 550 pounds, Z490 vs X570 prices are similar.

So the way I see it, 10600K@5GHz seems like a best choice in my case?

no...Next....

 

[G J]

Wow with the price increases I thought you was the good guy AMD, I trusted you..

No Zen 3 support for x450/x470 till Jan 2021 as per the sticky on AMD reddit so if you want one before Jan 21 AMD have just pulled a Intel and forced a motherboard change or one has to wait.

 

[VortexA1]

Wow with the price increases I thought you was the good guy AMD, I trusted you..

No Zen 3 support for x450/x470 till Jan 2021 as per the sticky on AMD reddit so if you want one before Jan 21 AMD have just pulled a Intel and forced a motherboard change or one has to wait.

lol I hope you're not being serious . AMD have pulled an intel because people have to wait just over 3 months with an x450/x470? No if AMD would have pulled an intel EVERY motherboard including x570s would have to be replaced, not even waiting just 3 months. Not really comparable at all , I'm sure they can wait 3 months!

AMD the good guy I trusted you? Prices have gone up but at least everyone with an x570 ,550s, my B450 which will be compatible incl those x450/470s so they won't have to ADD on the price of new mobo will they unlike intel . I think whatever is the best is good but no way is intel is it, not now.

 

[Twinz]

No included coolers for 8-cores and up *and* price increases?

I get that taking the gaming crown is a bid deal, (if independent testing verifies this) but what's the point of beating Intel if they're just going to become Intel?

I hope the prices settle down the way Zen 2 chips did.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

No included coolers for 8-cores and up *and* price increases?

I get that taking the gaming crown is a bid deal, (if independent testing verifies this) but what's the point of beating Intel if they're just going to become Intel?

I hope the prices settle down the way Zen 2 chips did.

The Ryzen 5 5600X is clearly the Ryzen 5 3600 successor but pushed up a tier as they both share the same 65W TDP. They included the el-cheapo Wraith Stealth CPU cooler,which is what the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 3 3200G uses. It runs very hot.

The Ryzen 7 3700X at launch was only 10% more than the Ryzen 5 5600X,yet included the Wraith Spire RGB,which is two tiers above.

Also TSMC 7NM last year had worse yields and cost more per wafer(Apple was using a ton of capacity). With Apple moving to 5NM,and Huawei being barred from TSMC,there is far more capacity too.

So last year AMD was selling a fully enabled 8 core chiplet for $330 with a much more expensive RGB cooler with copper heatpipes. This year,they are selling a trash level,6 core chiplet for $300 with a basic slab of extruded aluminium as a CPU cooler.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Any news on latency of the 8 core vs the 12 core or do we have to wait for tests comparing them?

 

[Rofflay]

No one actually posted a summary of what was announced i had a peek but need to read now normally someone would do a post stating what was said and any prices linked from best to budget.

Off i go to google i guess

 

[The Old School Gamer]

Looking at the layout arrangement of the Zen 3 architecture the 8 core interests me the most.
It's like a enhanced take of how they approached the 3300X.

 

[Calin Banc]

Hey folks... I'm still on an 1800X and a 580 8GB OC Strix. Any point of me upgrading if the only thing I'm really interested in in the future is Cyberpunk 2077?

The Witcher 3 scaled very well with cores, so in bigger cities FX6xxx pulled ahead of I3 and FX8xxx was about the same with an I5, while I7 (4c/8c) scaled even further (compared to a forest, when a I3 was at the same level with fx8xxx or faster I think). Considering Cyberpunk will be also dx12, unless CDPR messes up the engine, you should have no problem with that 1800X for 60fps gaming. So if you want to upgrade, I would look more into a new GPU as of the same money you'll need for a 8c/16t Ryzen 3 + motherboard (and probably RAM), you can get a GPU that will most likely be a couple times better upgrade than the CPU.

But as always, wait for the review of the game and processors.

Thinking if treating myself to a 5900 as price prob close to 5800.
Currently got i7 2600k at 4.3ghz, so this should be a bit faster.

One thing to ask. (Hope ok to ask here)
I bought a retail copy of Windows 7 (or was it 8 erm anyways) I had a free upgrade to change to Windows 10.
Of I did a full upgrade. How would I go about using Windows 10. Could I somehow claim it and create a disk? Or would I need to buy retail again? (Big cost to poss think about)

You can always try to just take out the CPU and motherboard, put in the new ones and that's it. I went from i5 2500k and R290 to Ryzen 2600x and rtx2080 without installing the windows. First was the GPU upgrade (just installed the nVIDIA drivers) and a couple months later the mobo+cpu. Windows installed what drivers needed upon the 1st boot and all went fine, no need for a clean install.

Wow with the price increases I thought you was the good guy AMD, I trusted you..

No Zen 3 support for x450/x470 till Jan 2021 as per the sticky on AMD reddit so if you want one before Jan 21 AMD have just pulled a Intel and forced a motherboard change or one has to wait.

Well, you can always look to current gen. For ~ price you ca get a 3900x instead of a 5800x. Depending on what you do, it could be a better investment - and potentially last longer too.

 

[deusexlumina]

AMD screwed the pooch with the pricing here.

They had the opportunity to make Intel CPU's unsellable, but instead intel have some breathing space until at least Zen 4.

The vast majority of OEMs still ship Intel CPUs by a large majority, and now they will continue to do so for the foreseeable.

Made a quick buck now, but will bite them in the long run.

 

[Rroff]

Any news on latency of the 8 core vs the 12 core or do we have to wait for tests comparing them?

Probably have to wait for tests but looks like they will have some pretty decent enhancements for end to end latency consistency in gaming.

AMD screwed the pooch with the pricing here.

They had the opportunity to make Intel CPU's unsellable, but instead intel have some breathing space until at least Zen 4.

The vast majority of OEMs still ship Intel CPUs by a large majority, and now they will continue to do so for the foreseeable.

Made a quick buck now, but will bite them in the long run.

I don't think they have the luxury of that option despite what people want to see/believe - TSMC 7nm has by all accounts increased somewhat in pricing and I'm pretty sure this is reflected here.

 

[Richdog]

Bit disappointed that AMD have priced the 5900x and 5800x so similarly... I was hoping it would be more of a middle-ground.

5600x = $299
5800x = $449 (+50%)
5900x = $549 (+22%)
5950x = $799 (+45%)

I think the 5800x is priced too high and should have been max $399 considering it's only 2 more cores than the 5600x, but they seem to be looking to make the 5900x as appealing as possible by making it appear like better value vs the 5800x with a smaller markup for the additional 50% cores.

The 5900x is the best option for the next 2-3 years with this pricing model.

Wow with the price increases I thought you was the good guy AMD, I trusted you..

No Zen 3 support for x450/x470 till Jan 2021 as per the sticky on AMD reddit so if you want one before Jan 21 AMD have just pulled a Intel and forced a motherboard change or one has to wait.

Don't be naive... there are no good guys. AMD are a corporation and they want your money. As much money as they can get.

 

[beany_bot]

Can anyone explain to me why after such amazing numbers on screen and AMD beating intel in every possible metric.

My AMD share price went down and Intels went up after the announcement??? I don't get it. But clearly investors didn't like this launch.

 

[JGBR]

I agree with Gamers Nexus, wait for the actual benchmarks. I think some of the so called YouTube commentators have jumped on the PR Juice train.

The only clarity is that in some circumstances AMD is still King and in the others Intel.

Disappointed in the pricing. 2021 should be interesting when Intel strikes back and AMD cuts prices.

 

[JGF111]

Really curious how 3950X to 5950X improvement is significantly bigger than 3900X to 5900X on those slides
Ashes 28% vs 19%
Farcry 29% vs 22%
Total War 13% vs 6%

I want to see this explained as well. As far as I can tell the net difference between 5900 and 5950 should basically be 100mhz of boost clock because cache, latency etc is all the same between the two CPUs. Well there are 4 more cores too but that shouldn’t make a difference.

 

[Frubeling]

At this point I can't decide whether to go for an immediate upgrade from 3600x to 5600x or have a little patience and self control with my money in order to aim for something a little higher up.
Regardless, this is definitely the time for me to switch out the 3600x

Coming so soon after the RTX 30xx launch does kinda hurt the bank account I must say. Got £1300 to pay off on a buy now pay in 12 months loan that I haven't put anything towards yet, yeesh

 

[Richdog]

I agree with Gamers Nexus, wait for the actual benchmarks. I think some of the so called YouTube commentators have jumped on the PR Juice train.

That basically described 90% of the mostly attention-whoring Techtubers. Thank goodness for the more reputable and ethical ones like GN and HU.

 

[Bravetart]

Well no X670, so guess I can buy a new motherboard in preparation. Everyone seems to suggest the X570 Tomahawk, why has this become the go to? I quite like the look of the AORUS boards but probably overkill.

Assuming most x570 boards will be able to flash without a CPU?