AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

Mr Oblong · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:20

The fact that they managed 19% is so impressive

Destination · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:21

4K8KW10 said:
Reminder:

The 5800X 8-core is £428.99
The 10700K 8-core £349.99
The 10850K 10-core £449.99
The 10900K 10-core £529.99
CB R20: Intel Core i7-10700K: 5292 points https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-intel_core_i7_10700k-1140
CB R20: Intel Core i9-10850K: 6318 points https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-intel_core_i9_10850k-1650
CB R20: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X: 5724 points https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-amd_ryzen_7_5800x-1747

Indeed and the 5900X 12-core is £530, which will destroy any of the above in CB R20. Utterly destroy.
It seems much better value than the intel trash, and the AMD lower end chips.

Joxeon · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:22

VortexA1 said:
I doesn't bother me the price and I'm not buying one, not with the prices - but like I say lots of things I can't buy or justify with prices but that's life.

Whether I can buy one or not - you just decide budget etc.

It'll come down in price. Like I say 'I'm not bothered'. IMO lots of fuss on here.

Maybe in the future I'll see my 3700x second hand and get it when it's less.

It is a shame as they are decent CPU but the prices have overshadowed the talk about the performance.

Had AMD release the 5600 or 5700X at reasonable prices they would have been hero's but all the talk of pricing has been a bit of an own goal kind of like when they cut support for the 400 series then went back on it.

Mr Oblong · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:23

Destination said:
Indeed and the 5900X 12-core is £530, which will destroy any of the above in CB R20. Utterly destroy.
It seems much better value than the intel trash, and the AMD lower end chips.

Single threaded, is there much of a difference?

Destination · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:25

Mr Oblong said:
Single threaded, is there much of a difference?

Best wait for the actual tests, suggestion was it'll go over 600.

VortexA1 · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:26

Joxeon said:
It is a shame as they are decent CPU but the prices have overshadowed the talk about the performance.

Had AMD release the 5600 or 5700X at reasonable prices they would have been hero's but all the talk of pricing has been a bit of an own goal kind of like when they cut support for the 400 series then went back on it.

Yeah. It's expected with the best tech. Intel would do the same thing, Its very common. Well they want as much money as they can get - like all companies. Every company is the same.

Nvidia etc.

Lots of emotions running high on here yeah.

COYS · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:30

Destination said:
Best wait for the actual tests, suggestion was it'll go over 600.

631 as per the slide on Thursday during the presentation

4K8KW10 · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:31

Destination said:
Indeed and the 5900X 12-core is £530, which will destroy any of the above in CB R20. Utterly destroy.
It seems much better value than the intel trash, and the AMD lower end chips.

One can buy this - 8 cores at 65-watt:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Intel Core i7-10700 2.9GHz (Comet Lake) Socket LGA1200 Processor - Retail= £314.99

Total: £323.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)

smilingcrow · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:33

Some people were unhappy with the latest TR platform as the entry level CPU was much more expensive than for the previous one.
It wasn't that long ago that the top HEDT SKU was $1,000 (Intel) and now we have the desktop hitting $800 with HEDT starting at $1399; both AMD.
Fantastic performance and generally good value but the prices have creeped up for sure.
Same with GPUs (Nvidia especially) and motherboards (AMD especially).
At least RAM is cheap and SSDs are better value; as long as you don't chase your tail with PCIe 4.0 or Samsung.
Overall I'm not complaining, but I don't game, even at 1080P, so much of this makes little difference to me.

4K8KW10 · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:36

smilingcrow said:
Some people were unhappy with the latest TR platform as the entry level CPU was much more expensive than for the previous one.
It wasn't that long ago that the top HEDT SKU was $1,000 (Intel) and now we have the desktop hitting $800 with HEDT starting at $1399; both AMD.
Fantastic performance and generally good value but the prices have creeped up for sure.
Same with GPUs (Nvidia especially) and motherboards (AMD especially).
At least RAM is cheap and SSDs are better value; as long as you don't chase your tail with PCIe 4.0 or Samsung.
Overall I'm not complaining, but I don't game, even at 1080P, so much of this makes little difference to me.

This and with AMD's general 20% market share, I'm quite sure that no OEM, company or large customer will be happy with AMD's new lineup and pricing scheme.

Joxeon · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:39

VortexA1 said:
Yeah. It's expected with the best tech. Intel would do the same thing, Its very common.

Nvidia etc.

Lots of emotions running high on here yeah .

You say that but intel extended the gaming lead over AMDs zen2 with the 10th gen parts and actually cut prices and nvidia have just done the same with their GPUs with only the 5700XT as AMDs top competition.

easyrider · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:40

FoxEye said:
I think you'll find that people recommended the B450 motherboards to buy new with a Zen2 CPU because the X570 were so expensive.

On release the average X570 board was £250-£300. Most people baulked at this.

Even the B550 on launch was more expensive than its predecessor - the B450.

None of this is in dispute is it. Ergo, as a number of us keep saying, it's not "just $50 more" for a new CPU. It's "just $50 more" for the CPU, the motherboard, the GPU... pc part prices are crazy compared to a few years ago.

And the 5000 series CPUs don't even come with a HSF... except the bottom SKU.

There were defo entry level x570 mobos on release

Lokken86 · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:42

If you only use your PC for gaming then you don't need a high end, expensive motherboard it's as simple as that.

FoxEye · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:43

easyrider said:
There were defo entry level x570 mobos on release

Well I remember the release because I was thinking of upgrading to Zen 2 (but didn't).

The entry-level, poorest quality X570 mobos were something like £200 or thereabouts on release. The half-decent X570 mobos were £300+. A lot of X570 mobos were up into the £600s.

The best option that everybody recommended back then was the B450, because they had better quality components than the poorest quality X570 boards, whilst also being cheaper.

Eventually some of the half-decent X570 boards fell in price to sub-£200.

4K8KW10 · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:43

Lokken86 said:
If you only use your PC for gaming then you don't need a high end, expensive motherboard it's as simple as that.

You need high end graphics card, otherwise compromises with the settings.

smilingcrow · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:49

FoxEye said:
A lot of X570 mobos were up into the £600s.

Come on, hardly anybody cares about those so they have zero relevance in this context.
There are very few X570 boards above £500 and the same is true for Z-490.

Mr Oblong · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:49

Joxeon said:
You say that but intel extended the gaming lead over AMDs zen2 with the 10th gen parts and actually cut prices and nvidia have just done the same with their GPUs with only the 5700XT as AMDs top competition.

This is it for me. Intel are actually responding, and the AMD prices seem to be targeted against the marketplace of 6-9 months ago.

spoffle · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:50

Joxeon said:
You say that but intel extended the gaming lead over AMDs zen2 with the 10th gen parts and actually cut prices and nvidia have just done the same with their GPUs with only the 5700XT as AMDs top competition.

Cut prices? The 3090 says hi.

If you think the 3000 series is an example of price cutting, you are beyond delusional.

spoffle · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:52

FoxEye said:
Well I remember the release because I was thinking of upgrading to Zen 2 (but didn't).

The entry-level, poorest quality X570 mobos were something like £200 or thereabouts on release. The half-decent X570 mobos were £300+. A lot of X570 mobos were up into the £600s.

The best option that everybody recommended back then was the B450, because they had better quality components than the poorest quality X570 boards, whilst also being cheaper.

Eventually some of the half-decent X570 boards fell in price to sub-£200.

So are loads of other boards. I had a Rampage V Extreme the last time I was on Intel.

Stupidly expensive boards have been a thing for a long time.

easyrider · 10 Oct 2020 at 19:52

FoxEye said:
Well I remember the release because I was thinking of upgrading to Zen 2 (but didn't).

The entry-level, poorest quality X570 mobos were something like £200 or thereabouts on release. The half-decent X570 mobos were £300+. A lot of X570 mobos were up into the £600s.

The best option that everybody recommended back then was the B450, because they had better quality components than the poorest quality X570 boards, whilst also being cheaper.

Eventually some of the half-decent X570 boards fell in price to sub-£200.

I bought a MSI pro gaming x570 for £239 iirc