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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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I want an 8 core minimum because the more you invest now the less upgrading later wanted 16 for PC exclusives though.

Will it really be Q1 2021 for Ryzen 5? Seems awfully close to Ryzen 4000? Whats going to come the new boards and DDR5? I wanted that anyways i think i was right when i said i would wait to Q1 and some said why wait well this old dog learned a trick or two by now.
 
Rofflay said:
I want an 8 core minimum because the more you invest now the less upgrading later wanted 16 for PC exclusives though.

Will it really be Q1 2021 for Ryzen 5? Seems awfully close to Ryzen 4000? Whats going to come the new boards and DDR5? I wanted that anyways i think i was right when i said i would wait to Q1 and some said why wait well this old dog learned a trick or two by now.
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ddr5 is 2022.
Intel has nothing to compete with until then and not even sure they have anything then either.
6 cores are simply enough today still for anything a normal user needs.
I had 6 cores for 3 years now, the current 3600 does not need to be upgrading but I planned to do it 3 years ago so :)
and the 5600x is plenty for me until ddr5 markets mature, 2-3 years.
 
Zen 3 will ride AMD through 2021. Release cheaper models, maybe a 5GHz halo model. Then more APUs with Zen 2 still (Cezanne?). Then APUs with Zen 3 cores and integrated RDNA (2?) at last.
So quite a lot of action for AM4 still.

Then they could actually glue unmodified Zen 3 cores to a new DDR5 IO chip and use it on AM5 in 2022.
And only after that comes Zen 4. Probably for servers first, as they will love what DDR5 brings.
Papermaster said Zen 4 5nm is "in design". I read it as they will be taking their time with that. Last year when Zen 2 released, Zen 3 was already sampling, already surrounded by huge IPC increase rumors.
 
Hi all, my first post here. I've been waiting for Zen 3 to build my new PC and upgrade from my i7 4790k. I've just bought a x570 motherboard ready to drop a Ryzen 7 5800x in, I'm a little disappointed in the price of the chip, but I have the budget and I build every 5-6 years so it's not a huge deal.

My question is that do we know yet if there is going to be ample supply? Or is this going to be another RTX 3080 debacle?

Talking of debacles, I really hope I can get hold of a RTX 3070...
 
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5600x pricing seems cheeky.

I bought my 3600x not long after launch for around £190 iirc.

They want an extra £100 this time around that's a 50% increase on price.

I understand that prices have gone up but that seems like a lot for little improvement.

I'd suggest that you are better off buying a 3600 currently and spending the extra £100 on better ram, gpu or motherboard and use the Ryzen clock tuner to overclock it some.
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So much for your "I will upgrade to a 5600X when it comes out" idea then :p

Oh and it is funny seeing @FoxEye carry on in here, he did not even reply back to my post. Wonder why? :p
 
Isn't it the case that 6 fast cores are pretty much always better than 8 slower cores (for the same overall GFLOPS)? Just as 1 super fast core today, is far more useful than a 1000 core supercomputer from the 90's even if the theoretical performance is the same.

I think the 5600X will often be a better choice than the 3700X, not least as I'm expecting it use less power.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
it was pointless if i had to do it manually. its automatic now and stable

i'd rather not spend days testing and tweaking. my time is more important. now i don't have to
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Lol. Moves the goal posts again, typical Psycho :p

You would rather save that time and use the time saved to argue about how pointless it is here right?

Just admit, you got it wrong, you have contradicted yourself plenty ;):D
 
clv101 said:
Isn't it the case that 6 fast cores are pretty much always better than 8 slower cores (for the same overall GFLOPS)? Just as 1 super fast core today, is far more useful than a 1000 core supercomputer from the 90's even if the theoretical performance is the same.

I think the 5600X will often be a better choice than the 3700X, not least as I'm expecting it use less power.
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Only if you play at 1080p on a high end GPU, for all other resolutions the 3700X would perform just as well while having a couple more cores for the newer games which will be optimised for 8 cores.

Also while it may use slightly less power the £50 price difference would likely outweigh this unless you were planning to keep the CPU for 5 years.
 
I'm thinking more generally than just games.

Also not sure about 'optimised for 8 cores', is that even a thing? If the total compute power is the same, I think it would take a very odd, synthetic benchmark to perform better on 8 cores than 6.

The slightly less power isn't really about the electric bill, it's more about the heat, cooling, noise etc.
 
clv101 said:
I'm thinking more generally than just games.

Also not sure about 'optimised for 8 cores', is that even a thing? If the total compute power is the same, I think it would take a very odd, synthetic benchmark to perform better on 8 cores than 6.

The slightly less power isn't really about the electric bill, it's more about the heat, cooling, noise etc.
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The 3700X will out perform the 5600X in multithreaded workloads and in terms of heat the 3700X also comes with a much better cooler so should be better in this regard also.
 
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TNA said:
Lol. Moves the goal posts again, typical Psycho :p

You would rather save that time and use the time saved to argue about how pointless it is here right?

Just admit, you got it wrong, you have contradicted yourself plenty ;):D
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He might be a groundsman it could be his job, but we seem to have a lot of those on this forum.:p
 
clv101 said:
I'm thinking more generally than just games.

Also not sure about 'optimised for 8 cores', is that even a thing? If the total compute power is the same, I think it would take a very odd, synthetic benchmark to perform better on 8 cores than 6.

The slightly less power isn't really about the electric bill, it's more about the heat, cooling, noise etc.
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I guess it depends. If you have a stupidly parallel application with millions of tiny tasks, then you may find that more cores, slightly slower, are better. IIRC Database servers are one such workload. Sun Microsystems had a line of highly parallel database servers about 10 years ago, based on this principle, Niagara was the codename IIRC. 64 sparc cores per chip. Each of the cores was comparatively weak (compared to POWER or Intel chips of the same time period), but the parallelism gave an advantage in high-traffic database systems.

But that's some pretty specialist workload right there :)

(You absolutely could have workloads optimised for 8 cores too. I've worked on high-reliability systems where tasks were pinned to specific cores, in order to provide performance guarantees and prevent the overhead of core context switching. Fewer cores would mean more switching and worse thoughput. Again, pretty specialist stuff, server-room SAN storage units)
 
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