AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

Journey · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:03

rn2 said:
Why is the 5950x so much more expensive than the 5900x? The specs don't look much better.

16c/32t vs 12c/24t

4K8KW10 · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:06

They could have christened the 12-core 5900X 5800X so to avoid such confusion.
5900 series is both 12 cores and 16 cores :confused:

queamin · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:26

4K8KW10 said:
They could have christened the 12-core 5900X 5800X so to avoid such confusion.
5900 series is both 12 cores and 16 cores

and the 5700x 8 cores, they still have the none x models.

DeathStorm · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:29

RBImGuy said:
6 cores are simply enough today still for anything a normal user needs.

A normal user could live very happily with a decent dual core.

For undemanding tasks I don't get people's obsession with insisting on a set number of cores, a nice SSD and a decent graphics card will make more difference for the 'average' person.

4K8KW10 · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:41

DeathStorm said:
A normal user could live very happily with a decent dual core.

If the "normal user" doesn't browse, play games at 1080p with semi-decent graphics card and doesn't multi-task with heavier apps.

DeathStorm said:
For undemanding tasks I don't get people's obsession with insisting on a set number of cores, a nice SSD and a decent graphics card will make more difference for the 'average' person.

Armageus · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:47

4K8KW10 said:
If the "normal user" doesn't browse, play games at 1080p with semi-decent graphics card and doesn't multi-task with heavier apps.

16.3% of steam users have a dual core (likely i3 so 4 threads, but still....)

chrcoluk · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:48

Normal users dont have higher than 60hz screens, or at least tend to leave default vsync enabled, I expect quad core with HT is more than enough for the mainstream market. Adding more and more core's is starting to just become marketing hype for practical purposes, its done because they know the review media lap it up with all the encoding they do.

Roadrunner_668 · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:51

never know some of those steam users might be on core 2 like me ha ha

but i have a quad

Kelt · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:54

It was funny in my head

pc-guy · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:55

DeathStorm said:
A normal user could live very happily with a decent dual core.

For undemanding tasks I don't get people's obsession with insisting on a set number of cores, a nice SSD and a decent graphics card will make more difference for the 'average' person.

no chance, 2c4t computers struggle. i have been using laptop with 2c4t for remote connections - SLOW.

humbug · 13 Oct 2020 at 16:57

Armageus said:
16.3% of steam users have a dual core (likely i3 so 4 threads, but still....)

A large chunk of Steam Users are on old Laptop's

FoxEye · 13 Oct 2020 at 17:01

Armageus said:
16.3% of steam users have a dual core (likely i3 so 4 threads, but still....)

Hope they don't open a modern browser (like Chrome with its two billion spawned processes).

Or anything more demanding than Notepad.exe

alec · 13 Oct 2020 at 17:01

4K8KW10 said:
They could have christened the 12-core 5900X 5800X so to avoid such confusion.
5900 series is both 12 cores and 16 cores

Keeping continuity for whole Ryzen family.
r7 1800X 3800X, 5800X top 8 core
r7 1700X, 2700X, 3700X value 8 core
r5 1600X, 2600X, 3600X, 5600X top 6 core
r5 1600, 2600, 3600, (5600) value 6 core

AMD had to fit 12 and 16 cores in nomenclature above these.
Previous 16 core was Threadripper 1950X and 2950X, so r9 3950X made sense for 16 core. Thus r9 5950X
Screwed up the continuity on 12 cores tho, previous threadripper 12 cores were 1920X and 2920X. But r9 3900X and r9 5900X just looks better without the 20

4K8KW10 · 13 Oct 2020 at 17:12

alec said:
Keeping continuity for whole Ryzen family.
r7 1800X 3800X, 5800X top 8 core
r7 1700X, 2700X, 3700X value 8 core
r5 1600X, 2600X, 3600X, 5600X top 6 core
r5 1600, 2600, 3600, (5600) value 6 core

AMD had to fit 12 and 16 cores in nomenclature above these.
Previous 16 core was Threadripper 1950X and 2950X, so r9 3950X made sense for 16 core. Thus r9 5950X
Screwed up the continuity on 12 cores tho, previous threadripper 12 cores were 1920X and 2920X. But r9 3900X and r9 5900X just looks better without the 20

You forgot Ryzen 7 1700 & 2700.

pc-guy said:
no chance, 2c4t computers struggle. i have been using laptop with 2c4t for remote connections - SLOW.

It's awful, terribly SLOW

Generations:

Ryzen 3 1200
Ryzen 3 1300X
Ryzen 5 1400
Ryzen 5 1500X
Ryzen 5 1600
Ryzen 5 1600X
Ryzen 7 1700
Ryzen 7 1700X
Ryzen 7 1800X

Ryzen 3 1200 AF
Ryzen 3 2200G
Ryzen 5 1600 AF
Ryzen 5 2400G
Ryzen 5 2600
Ryzen 5 2600X
Ryzen 7 2700
Ryzen 7 2700X

Ryzen 3 3100
Ryzen 3 3300X
Ryzen 5 3500
Ryzen 5 3500X
Ryzen 5 3600
Ryzen 5 3600X
Ryzen 5 3600XT
Ryzen 7 3700X
Ryzen 7 3800X
Ryzen 7 3800XT
Ryzen 9 3900X
Ryzen 9 3900XT
Ryzen 9 3950X

Ryzen 5 5600X
Ryzen 7 5800X
Ryzen 9 5900X
Ryzen 9 5950X

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryzen

The performance tier hasn't moved up from the old 8-core from 2017. In 2021 it's still 8-core:

From Ryzen 7 1800X to Ryzen 7 5800X AMD gained 60% higher performance (in CB R20 multi-thread), while increasing the frequency by 15% and the TDP by 10.5%..

smilingcrow · 13 Oct 2020 at 17:29

DeathStorm said:
For undemanding tasks I don't get people's obsession with insisting on a set number of cores, a nice SSD and a decent graphics card will make more difference for the 'average' person.

Integrated graphics are fine for the average person running undemanding tasks. Why would they need a decent GPU?

Combat Fighter · 13 Oct 2020 at 17:37

queamin said:
I am waiting until next year just bought a few ssd's, will get a 5600 and see what 6*** series looks like Jan or Feb 2021.

Don’t think the 6*** series is out in early 2021?

Blowsy · 13 Oct 2020 at 17:48

rn2 said:
Why is the 5950x so much more expensive than the 5900x? The specs don't look much better.

The law of diminishing (cost/benefit) returns mate... same with all tech and has been since the dawn of time.

(Please note, I have a 3090 GPU on order

)

VortexA1 · 13 Oct 2020 at 18:24

chrcoluk said:
If I have to buy a 500 series board to use these chips then the slim chance of me buying one has just evaporated.

Or the msi b450 mortar max that will be able to run the Ryzens 5000 series with a BIOS update, I read, hopefully in Jan but definitely coming.

4K8KW10 · 13 Oct 2020 at 18:26

VortexA1 said:
Or the msi b450 mortar max that will be able to run the Ryzens 5000 series with a BIOS update hopefully on Jan

Maybe, and even then it's so inconvenient having to borrow an old CPU to boot and update the BIOS.

This is not serious from AMD. Totally mediocre release so far.

VortexA1 · 13 Oct 2020 at 18:33

4K8KW10 said:
Maybe, and even then it's so inconvenient having to borrow an old CPU to boot and update the BIOS.

This is not serious from AMD. Totally mediocre release so far.

No you don't need to. You put the usb flash drive in and press the button on the back, I'm sure but if you want one soon then don't get that because as I say you won't be able to until at least Jan.