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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

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chrcoluk said:
any geekbench results yet? Always find that a more realistic way to bench a cpu then cinebench which is really just rendering performance.
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GB4 is SC is what i'm looking forward to the most. I want to see how the SC performance is on Zen3 once it's tuned up. For my games, that's the most relatable metric.

GB4 SC score close to 8k would be amazing and a nice jump for my games.
 
Robert896r1 said:
GB4 is SC is what i'm looking forward to the most. I want to see how the SC performance is on Zen3 once it's tuned up. For my games, that's the most relatable metric.

GB4 SC score close to 8k would be amazing and a nice jump for my games.
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GB5 is what you should be using
 
I think what we all want is good INTEL chips AND good AMD.... CPU wars = innovation, improvement. I'd rather see every revision, one ahead of the other, for the next to claw ahead of the other.

let's be honest intel and AMD could deliver massively better CPU's but then that would mean they wouldn't have new products for some time, therefore revisions are all they are ever going to offer.

REMEMBER....For the shareholder not the gamer....
 
JGBR said:
I think what we all want is good INTEL chips AND good AMD.... CPU wars = innovation, improvement. I'd rather see every revision, one ahead of the other, for the next to claw ahead of the other.

let's be honest intel and AMD could deliver massively better CPU's but then that would mean they wouldn't have new products for some time, therefore revisions are all they are ever going to offer.

REMEMBER....For the shareholder not the gamer....
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Im not sure Intel could, Intel painted itself into a corner some time ago. I think Intel need either a structural change in the company or a lot of time. Probably both TBH.
 
JGBR said:
I think what we all want is good INTEL chips AND good AMD.... CPU wars = innovation, improvement. I'd rather see every revision, one ahead of the other, for the next to claw ahead of the other.

let's be honest intel and AMD could deliver massively better CPU's but then that would mean they wouldn't have new products for some time, therefore revisions are all they are ever going to offer.

REMEMBER....For the shareholder not the gamer....
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True but there is a difference, in 3 years AMD have increased their 'per core' performance by 66% and doubled the core count they offer on the mainstream platform.

That's more than Intel have done in 10 years.
 
humbug said:
True but there is a difference, in 3 years AMD have increased their 'per core' performance by 66% and doubled the core count they offer on the mainstream platform.

That's more than Intel have done in 10 years.
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AMD look set to continue that trend for at least the next 5.
 
The big Zen 4 improvements are likely to come from a completely new IO die, and the benefits of dropping the cores to 5nm. There's still a lot more to come from Ryzen.
 
jigger said:
DDR5 alone will open up performance in many areas. We already see some of the potential from 4 DIMMs on dual channel controllers.
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High performance core 16 thread APU's with true 1080P 60Hz iGPUs soon. AMD are looking at making APUs serious, dumping the ancient Vega graphics for RDNA2 / 3 targeting not MX____ GPU's but GTX __50/TI GPU's.

AMD with some money in their pockets have always been a dangerous thing, Intel knew this, but IMO...... Nvidia, brace yourself! :D
 
NoNameNoNumber said:
I've tried to gain some useful info from this thread... And failed.
Of the 3 chips announced, which one would be the sensible option for gaming at 1440p for the next 4-6 years.
5800x seems reasonable.
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For a few years i would have said the 5600X will be good for that but upto 6 years, yeah i think the safer bet would be the 5800X, new consoles have 16 thread Zen 2 CPU's in them, compared with 8 AMD jaguar cores from the last generation consoles. Games are going to change drastically over the coming years, developers target mainly consoles and they have vastly more CPU horsepower to play with now. a single Zen 2 core is more powerful than 8 Jaguar cores.
 
humbug said:
True but there is a difference, in 3 years AMD have increased their 'per core' performance by 66% and doubled the core count they offer on the mainstream platform. That's more than Intel have done in 10 years.
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The difficult part is where they go from here. They've taken this long to pass a long time stagnant Intel with Zen 3, which was the easy part.
I still think that solid performance in workloads using up to 8C is very important so just adding more cores is useless there.
We already have TR for people who actually need that level of performance and that is relatively easy to improve with 5nm, DDR5, PCIe 5.
But for gamers and even DAW users a good 8C chip is relevant.
5nm isn't a miracle panacea but it will be good for more cores.
 
The biggest long term threat to AMD and Intel on the mainstream isn’t each other, it’s ARM.

I can see ARM starting to take away huge chunks of the laptop market in time which is where the volumes are. ARM is already a small player in the server space.
 
The problem with ARM although its low power, its performance vs desktop isnt even the same league. I can see it taking laptops, but desktops may be a different story.
 
smilingcrow said:
The difficult part is where they go from here. They've taken this long to pass a long time stagnant Intel with Zen 3, which was the easy part.
I still think that solid performance in workloads using up to 8C is very important so just adding more cores is useless there.
We already have TR for people who actually need that level of performance and that is relatively easy to improve with 5nm, DDR5, PCIe 5.
But for gamers and even DAW users a good 8C chip is relevant.
5nm isn't a miracle panacea but it will be good for more cores.
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AMD are still filing patents for advanced cache architectures ecte..... and these are not just for GPU's.

AMD have success because they are gradually changing how a CPU is built and how it works, its what they do, they always have, its how they relentlessly beat Intel during the Athlon area. they don't always get it right, Bulldozer is also a very different architecture and i can see where they were going with it but it didn't work, however even Intel's CPU's today are basically AthlonXP's with Intel branding on them.

As long as they learned from their Bulldozer mistake CPU's will keep changing and keep getting better.
 
AMD's cores are getting to ARM levels of efficiency despite being full instruction X86.

Samsung are already putting AMD's RDNA2 GPU's in their Mobile Phones and Tablets, that should give you an indication of how good RDNA2 is and its not going to be long before people start look at AMD's X86 for Handheld Mobil.

AMD's goal, they have said this, is to get in absolutely everything, AMD everywhere.
 
chrcoluk said:
The problem with ARM although its low power, its performance vs desktop isnt even the same league. I can see it taking laptops, but desktops may be a different story.
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Which is why I specifically said the mainstream space. Like it or not, laptops are king in terms of sales in the main stream space. Most of those are boring 2-4 core parts.

AMD despite having a better product, isnt really relevant in the laptop space because they can’t ship at the required volumes. Intel ships an order of magnitude more laptops than it does mainstream desktops and if ARM starts taking that market share (they already have Apple), that’s a problem for Intel but they’ll come for AMD too.
 
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