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Excellent video from adoredtv on Nvidia Ampere and reviewers

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This time he has gone in deeper, exposing real flaws of what a fair amount of reviewers have claimed for the 3090, and also how so many people lap it up as gospel.

He even raised the question, are the reviewers dumb or is it deliberate.

He has quit, because he is up against an absolute army of fake reviews and people been influenced by it.

 
EDIT: Someone got a TLDR as he seems to be getting as mixed up as the reviewers he is getting upset at on some points and I really can't make it through a whole 27 minutes of that video to fully understand his point.

Amongst other things Titan class has never been a set performance tier or performance delta and that is missing the point of the cards to assume such.

Ultimately it is up to people with the money to spend on those cards whether they purchase one or not - it isn't like anyone is being forced to buy one with the 3080 providing a good amount of the performance at a much better price.
 
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He isn't 100%, but I do get the basic gyst of his video which is that the reviewers get it wrong so many times, one has to question if its deliberate or not. He calls out the reviewers more towards the end, and I agree the video could have been a lot shorter but sadly like a lot of youtuber's his video drags out.

On the 3090 specifically he is calling out the value for money claim on it apparently been a so called titan class card, when it doesnt have titan drivers, and it doesnt have typical levels of titan performance.

There is also the call out on how many of the reviewers get payments from the industry in indirect ways, sponsorship etc.
 
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chrcoluk said:
On the 3090 specifically he is calling out the value for money claim on it apparently been a so called titan class card, when it doesnt have titan drivers, and it doesnt have typical levels of titan performance.
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I'd agree in respect to there is nothing "Titan" about the card other than the level of VRAM - but Titan class has never been about a specific level of performance - it has always been a big expensive card, usually flashy card, aimed at people who either have a lot of money to burn or do stuff outside of typical gaming scenarios.
 
Rroff if someone said here is a titan class card, would you expect that card to perform as well in all tasks titan excels at?

In the Linus review he revealed that its slower than the RTX titan in non gaming workloads because it has the gimped geforce performance. Not just slower, but a lot slower.
 
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Rroff if someone said here is a titan class card, would you expect that card to perform as well in all tasks titan excels at?

In the Linus review he revealed that its slower than the RTX titan in non gaming workloads because it has the gimped geforce performance. Not just slower, but a lot slower.
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TBH I would evaluate it for myself if I was using a card for non-gaming workloads rather than go by whatever reviewers were saying and/or take in a spread of reviewers including ones I know to be fairly objective.

There are some aspects that I agree with him about but it seems odd how much he is upset about it and extending some of the criticisms to silly levels.
 
He is clearly frustrated, I think especially with what he sees as an increasingly hostile viewer base, hence the start of his video and the I quit at the end. But having watched all the video and knowing myself how broken the review industry is I can understand the frustration.
 
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He is clearly frustrated, I think especially with what he sees as an increasingly hostile viewer base, hence the start of his video and the I quit at the end. But having watched all the video and knowing myself how broken the review industry is I can understand the frustration.
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Sadly not only are opened being misled they are willingly being misled. You see it on these very forums. As soon as anyone has anything negative to say about the dominant forces in the industry, like magic, one of more of the defence force show up. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but there are either paid actors or people with very little else going on taking it upon themselves to defend their belief.

As for Jim I'm surprised he wasn't already aware that's how it works. Once person won't change it and many other don't want to change. The best he could hop6 for is to have his say and hope that one day he is recognised as being right.
 
It's all very well making a claim that reviewers are being misleading but is anyone actually buying a (very expensive) 3090 when what they need for their work is a (very expensive) titan card.

Some casual review without proper workload demonstrations making a vague claim should not be considered a worthy opinion. Having a rant and ragequitting over it is pretty weak too.

It's professional incompetence if someone buys the wrong card by following the unproven word of a "reviewer" exaggerating for clickbait.
 
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It's all very well making a claim that reviewers are being misleading but is anyone actually buying a (very expensive) 3090 when what they need for their work is a (very expensive) titan card.

Some casual review without proper workload demonstrations making a vague claim should not be considered a worthy opinion. Having a rant and ragequitting over it is pretty weak too.

It's professional incompetence if someone buys the wrong card by following the unproven word of a "reviewer" exaggerating for clickbait.
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I think there are two points there. A lot of busy people don't have time to scrutinize reviews in detail, if they even look at them at look at all. Secondly I've met far more unprofessional, going through the motions, professionals than top drawer ones. After all professional just means you're being paid. Even being well qualified didn't mean you have a professional attitude. People are flawed in ever walk of life.

I'd agree with you on quitting though. Either suck it up and know you are the lone voice and need to deal with it or just don't bother and let the uninformed make poor choices. Airing your frustrations rarely goes well, especially on the internet!
 
I stopped watching any of his stuff ages ago when it became apparent he has issues with being told he is wrong. Proper throw your toys out the pram type character, ive seen him on twitter really going off on people and the cheesing out with a block when they come back with credible info.

He was never fit to do youtube stuff, too much ego, too much god complex, and extremely naive at the same time.

Also strikes me as a proper drama queen, especially with this i quit stuff, who cares, he hung any credibility he had with the zen debacle and his 5ghz claims and backtracking.

Good riddance to another techtube moron
 
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I think there are two points there. A lot of busy people don't have time to scrutinize reviews in detail, if they even look at them at look at all. Secondly I've met far more unprofessional, going through the motions, professionals than top drawer ones. After all professional just means you're being paid. Even being well qualified didn't mean you have a professional attitude. People are flawed in ever walk of life.

I'd agree with you on quitting though. Either suck it up and know you are the lone voice and need to deal with it or just don't bother and let the uninformed make poor choices. Airing your frustrations rarely goes well, especially on the internet!
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TBH I find it hard to watch the video whole so maybe I'm not doing him justice but the bits I flicked through he seems to have got hold of half of a valid point then jumped off the deep end and finding a conspiracy behind every corner or trying to manufacture a point out of a loose collection of what is mostly innocuous enough stuff.
 
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TBH I find it hard to watch the video whole so maybe I'm not doing him justice but the bits I flicked through he seems to have got hold of half of a valid point then jumped off the deep end and finding a conspiracy behind every corner or trying to manufacture a point out of a loose collection of what is mostly innocuous enough stuff.
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I think his basic point about Nvidia's marketing is correct. They move the goalposts, change naming, use different dies, play around with pricing in a very clever way. Modern marketing is a science, even in a supermarket you're being subtlety manipulated. I see it as an opportunity if you can see past it.

I don't think there are any conspiracies but if you have something to sell and someone tries to rubbish your product, rightly or wrongly, you're going to defend your livelihood. Manufacturers won't like what he has to say, that's to be expected. Buyers of said products won't like it either. Present the facts as you see them and keep emotion it of it would be my advice.

The funny thing is brands began as a way to assure quality in a market full of fraudulent goods. I heard a story of a Victorian merchant painting raisins brown and selling them as chocolate covered! These days brand loyalty has been turned against consumers with cheaper materials, shrink-flation and misleading marketing. Now more than ever it pays to do your research and buy smart.
 
I thought adored quit or was that a threat while he was drunk again - now he's back to a stone throw away from again claiming that reviewers are taking bribes from Nvidia - adored needs help from a psychiatrist

gonna need a read up anyway cause I can't understand what he says, doesn't sound like the English language to me
 
I for one have enjoyed Jim video's, as they offered an alternative viewpoint from the mainstream. It's shame we might lose his analysis but I'm sure a new voice will pop up - MooresLawIsDead seems to one such channel. I don't blame him though, I'd probably be frustrated by the toxicity and immature bile directed his way.
 
The 3090 is such bad value and poor performance increase that it should be called out.

People should feel stupid for buying it but in a perverse way they will actually feel a sense of pride in owning it (in their own heads only) Thus is the power of marketing and the perceived status that owning such stupid products brings in peoples own heads.

A GPU is not a product that you can really enjoy when you spend over 100-150% more to gain 5-10% more performance, especially when that performance is measured in milliseconds. There is no tangible difference between that and the 3080. You will never see or even feel the difference between the 2 cards for gaming.

GPU's are also the only place where people use "MOAR VRAM" as a reason to spend silly money on the 3090. Last time i went over to the Car forums. People were not justifying spending double the money on the next up model Porsche because it has 100L fuel tank instead of 50L and that means they can save 5 minutes on their trip from Scotland to London because they dont need to stop for fuel...

Whats more hilarious is when the Super variant arrives and the 3090 lead is cut down even further to 1-3% Then shortly after it will look like the 2080ti which looks prehistoric in comparison now when the 4080 comes along and smashes it and the cycle starts again.
 
I'm not watching the video but it sounds like mega clickbait, trying to start YouTube drama.

Most of the bigger YouTube tech channels said the 3090 was bad value.
 
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