Rumour: 3080 20gb and 3070 16gb cancelled

[Dirk Diggler]

I am not sure if Covid played a role in terms of rushing Nvidia into this mess (I know their failed power play with TSMC was a large part), but I would be surprised if it had no impact on the circumstances we are now in

Yes, Covid could have played a part in supply constraints. I agree with earlier points raised that NV have clearly made an early grab for the mindshare with the imminent arrival of consoles and Navi. I think they'll be seriously pushing the supply chain to get those pre orders converted to sales. As you point out, the retailers will get a sale from one or the other but it will be Nvidia missing out if they can't supply the market before the consumer switches to a competitor that can actually supply the goods.

I was lucky in securing my card on release and therefore not looking to buy anything else, but I'm still looking on with interest to see how this all pans out.

There's something else I'd love to see actually; if Nvidia do manage to get some decent volume and the scalpers buy big without realising there's plenty to go around, they'll be left holding cards that they can't shift on eBay for a massive gouge.

 

[SirPsychoZe0]

There's something else I'd love to see actually; if Nvidia do manage to get some decent volume and the scalpers buy big without realising there's plenty to go around, they'll be left holding cards that they can't shift on eBay for a massive gouge.

If AMD have the capacity to bring a good volume of stock to the market on release, then that could also help screw the scalpers over (especially if the timing is coordinated with Nvidia upping supply). Would love the 3080 to lose popularity overnight if AMD bring a good GPU to the table - it will be like those guys that bought 100s of toilet rolls at lockdown which they couldn't shift.

 

[2Thumbs]

Jensen the Jacket: To my Ampere friends, its safe to cancel your preorder now.

 

[Darujhistan]

he has a point tho,AMD were always behind Nvidia,it won't be surprising at all if their new range is also inferior to Nvidias.

They weren't always behind NV at all. And what is superior depends on your criteria, if you value price/performance then AMD is superior and has been for years. Same thing with Ryzen up until Ryzen 3, Intel may have been faster but you had to pay through the nose for a few extra frames.

 

[Shaz12]

I see where you are thinking but you are missing vital parts, people are still buying (READ:Pre ordering, the cards don't actually exists in any quantity) the 3080 and desperate for it because it makes sense as it's currently the only option and why not wait in line just in case AMD flop?

Mark my words come the 28th there will be a market shift, the pre order's will get canceled and AMD are going to take a huge market share even if it's only until Nvidia can get the Ti/Super's to market early 2021.
The evidence is there just Google it.

I know AMD have not delivered the last few generations, but you only have to look at how much Nvidia knee jerked the early launch of the 3080/90 to see Nvidia clearly have inside information about AMD's upcoming launch and it worried Nvidia enough to paper launch and I know some people think this is just Nvidia not anticipating demand, but the truth is this is Nvidia being forced into moving it's time line up many months due to the offerings from team red.
Nvidia are used to being ahead from a technical standpoint and being able to just shut AMD out the GPU market each generation and this is what's caught them out this time, either AMD juked Nvidia or truly have something.


So either AMD pulled a master stroke and dont have the cards to beat the 3080/90 and have fooled Nvidia into looking bad with an early and forced botched launch AMD=won this round.
Or AMD do have cards to beat the 3080/90 about to drop meaning AMD=won this round.


What will happen around the 28th and following weeks is a forced price drop of Ampere card's because:-
1. AMD beats Ampere and is going to be slightly cheaper (due to reduced manufacturing costs and the ability to position better in the market).
2. AMD matches Ampere, again at reduced cost making the Ampere cards not look such a great prospect, possibly Ampere holds value but AMD takes market share from the general buyer not the elitist.
3. AMD produces a flop card vs the 3080 (really don't see that this time personally), Ampere holds value but looses pre orders still due to AMD offering such a budget value prospect and the lack of any really availability of Ampere and people being hungry for an upgrade if it's 2080Ti performance at £400 there are allot of people going to jump on that who didn't join the £1200 2080Ti fail train.

You only have to look at Nvidia's posture right now, they behind the scene have conceded this round to AMD, doesn't matter what card AMD offers to market come the 28th, Nvidia is aiming for 2021 now not 2020.
Which ever way you spin it AMD won this round, the evidence is there, and no I'm not an AMD or Nvidia bias.

It's great AMD have done this or you would be paying £1200 for a 3080 msrp, and 2022 the 3080Ti/super would land again for £1200-1500.
Even if you are a die hard Nvidia fan you have to be stupid to not appreciate what AMD have done for the consumer Q4 2020!

I am not expecting much from AMD's stock levels either. They will be disappointing as well and will be scalped as demand in general is too high due to COVID.

 

[Tutan]

They weren't always behind NV at all. And what is superior depends on your criteria, if you value price/performance then AMD is superior and has been for years. Same thing with Ryzen up until Ryzen 3, Intel may have been faster but you had to pay through the nose for a few extra frames.

show me one example were AMD’s top GPU beat equivalent Nvidia GPU?

They are always weaker,budget alternative to whatever Nvidia puts out.and never as stable nor as reliable.their driver issues are well known.
All facts.
CPU is a completely different subject.
AMD bought ATI’s GPU technology and even ATI cards always had similar issues compared to Nvidia.

 

[Darujhistan]

show me one example were AMD’s top GPU beat equivalent Nvidia GPU then we talk.
They are always weaker,budget alternative to whatever Nvidia puts out.and never as stable nor as reliable.their driver issues are well known.
All facts.
CPU is a completely different subject.

I'm not trawling through 25 years of benchmarks just because you don't know your stuff. If you want to believe NV have always had the fastest card then that's up to you...

Nothing you have said re: GPU's is factual by the way. Stability/reliability (2080ti space invaders ring a bell?), both NV and AMD have issues with stability etc and drivers, and they're often on a case by case basis, I've never had any driver issues with NV or AMD, some do some don't.

 

[Tutan]

I'm not trawling through 25 years of benchmarks just because you don't know your stuff. If you want to believe NV have always had the fastest card then that's up to you...

25 years on benchmark? lol ok just show me ONE in the past 5 years?
you can’t? as expected.just a fanboy.
come back when you have something meaningful and based on facts (not emotions) to say.

 

[Darujhistan]

25 years on benchmark? lol ok just show me ONE in the past 5 years?
you can’t? as expected.just a fanboy.
come back when you have something meaningful and based on facts (not emotions) to say.

But you said NV had always been faster so who is the uninformed fanboy exactly?

Come back when you've done some research and can produce evidence that shows NV have always been ahead of AMD.

 

[Tutan]

But you said NV had always been faster so who is the uninformed fanboy exactly?

Come back when you've done some research and can produce evidence that shows NV have always been ahead of AMD.

Yes Nvidia flagship GPUs are always leading and AMD always catching up, hoping to attract more budget conscious buyers.
The same way their K6/Athlon CPUs were in early 2000 against Intel.

You couldn’t show me any example that proves otherwise, then started trolling and whining about not being able to research 25 years history,that’s why I made in easy for you and asked for a more recent example.
Reality is AMD have never been able to come up with a superior direct competitor card that beats Nvidia,thats why they sell them cheaper (and with unstable drivers).
Like it or not,AMD GPUs are always second class.
And apparently it hurts fanboys and schoolboys emotions.

 

[Darujhistan]

Yes Nvidia flagship GPUs are always leading and AMD always catching up, hoping to attract more budget conscious buyers.
The same way their K6/Athlon CPUs were in early 2000 against Intel.

You couldn’t show me any example that proves otherwise, then started trolling and whining about not being able to research 25 years history,that’s why I made in easy for you and asked for a more recent example.
Reality is AMD have never been able to come up with a superior direct competitor card that beats Nvidia,thats why they sell them cheaper (and with unstable drivers).
Like it or not,AMD GPUs are always second class.
And apparently it hurts fanboys and schoolboys emotions.

Still claiming NV have always been ahead I see...still clueless...

 

[lordfletch]

Yes Nvidia flagship GPUs are always leading and AMD always catching up, hoping to attract more budget conscious buyers.
The same way their K6/Athlon CPUs were in early 2000 against Intel.

You couldn’t show me any example that proves otherwise, then started trolling and whining about not being able to research 25 years history,that’s why I made in easy for you and asked for a more recent example.
Reality is AMD have never been able to come up with a superior direct competitor card that beats Nvidia,thats why they sell them cheaper (and with unstable drivers).
Like it or not,AMD GPUs are always second class.
And apparently it hurts fanboys and schoolboys emotions.

the 290 bested the titan, did not stay top dog for long though.

 

[TrM]

I'm not trawling through 25 years of benchmarks just because you don't know your stuff. If you want to believe NV have always had the fastest card then that's up to you...

Nothing you have said re: GPU's is factual by the way. Stability/reliability (2080ti space invaders ring a bell?), both NV and AMD have issues with stability etc and drivers, and they're often on a case by case basis, I've never had any driver issues with NV or AMD, some do some don't.

i know im splitting hairs here But i dont think amd have had the performance crown vs nvidia like nvidia have for the last few years but i know a lot of times ATI beat nvidia quite a few times but since the merger quite a few years ago amd have looked the more value brand at the top tier performance . I dont think amd card are bad and they never have been But nvidia have taken pure perofrmance and even made us pay though the nose for it

 

[TrM]

the 290 bested the titan, did not stay top dog for long though.

the funny thing is the amd 290 and 290x was both hot power hungry beast of a gpu gpu vs the nvidia 4000 series and look how things have turned on there head by all accounts the 3080 and 3090 are the bestly power hungry cards vs the 5000 series from amd

 

[Blackjack Davy]

the funny thing is the amd 290 and 290x was both hot power hungry beast of a gpu gpu vs the nvidia 4000 series and look how things have turned on there head by all accounts the 3080 and 3090 are the bestly power hungry cards vs the 5000 series from amd

But its Nvidia so its fine.

 

[Tutan]

Still claiming NV have always been ahead I see...still clueless...

You lost the argument kiddo,get over it
Next time,learn to bring some evidence instead of fanboyism

 

[Tutan]

the 290 bested the titan, did not stay top dog for long though.

It had awful crashes and instability issues how did it bested titan?
again I have to remind you,AMD is always be catching up behind Nvidia..the budget,cheaper buggy alternative.and I’m almost 100% sure big navi will follow the trend it can compete with 3070 price wise tho (if you ate willing to accept random crashes here and there)

 

[Darujhistan]

You lost the argument kiddo,get over it
Next time,learn to bring some evidence instead of fanboyism

I didn't lose anything kiddo, you're still claiming NV has always been faster, wich means you'd lost the argument from post 1.

As for evidence, when you're making a claim it is you that needs to supply the evidence, that's debate 101 bro.