FoxEye is coming from a very strange place. He was expecting the 12c chips to be sub £200 this generation... laughable I know, but great expectations and all that.
From what I’ve seen so far the value is decent enough, I just hope supply is good.
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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FoxEye is coming from a very strange place. He was expecting the 12c chips to be sub £200 this generation... laughable I know, but great expectations and all that.
From what I’ve seen so far the value is decent enough, I just hope supply is good.
Speaking from experience, your 6700k will severely bottleneck you. Unless maybe you play 4k. At 1440p, mine is strangling my 3080. More than I expected, im getting 40-50% GPU use in some game. Hence why im all aboard the Zen 3 train.
The question of will supply be enough is the real biggie i think.
As AMD have been planning for Zen3 and Navi for some considerable time, my thought is that there will be plenty of stock of both. Let me explain my thinking. Both are using a well matured process, therefor there is no shortage of silicon available for either.
We know from the launch of Zen2 and Nvidia's 3000 that the lack of stock was/is down to the lack of silicon. We have already seen retail parts on the net, both Navi and Zen. To be seeing these parts 2 weeks away from release just confirms my thought that there will be plenty of stock.
That then takes us on to price gouging. The likes of OCUK have no reason to price gouge with a cage full of Navi's and Zen's. They can't even use the time honoured "exchange rate" they often wheel out, the £ against the $ has been within 1/2 % for the last 6 months.
had the i7 6700k for 5 years now think im getting CPU bottlenecking for example on Mafia - Definitve Edition with an 5700xt never dips below 70fps on highest setting at 1440p but see the CPU usage up around 75% and when I turn sharply i notice the stutter but the FPS isnt dipping
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GameGPU did some CPU tests:
https://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/mafia-definitive-edition-test-gpu-cpu
The game should be fine on your current CPU,but one thread is used much more than the others.
I was hoping for better value too, but better performance at the same price (even if just barely) is objectively better.
Basically, the raw performance improvement is impressive for a CPU gen and the value this time is merely "aceptable". IMO.
4690K @4.5Ghz, 4K, Frame rates did really dip but all 4 cores are at very high load, sometime as high as 100%, it felt horrible and at 1440P, my native resolution it was unplayable, this with a GTX 1070, this is why i got the Ryzen 1600, it fixed not only that but at 1440P i was up to 300 FPS butter smooth.
Still play this game now with the 2070S at over 500 FPS and the 3600 is like "meh"
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4690K vs Ryzen 1600.
All we know at the moment is what AMD have shown. From we have seen so far these chips look impressive, but I’d like to see what is on offer across a wide range of tests and configurations.
That's it really. Performance is so good, but the price increase is pretty proportional so there's only limited value there.
That's a blatant lie and I've called you on it when you last made that accusation.
This time I'm going to report your post because you keep trying to put words in my mouth that you know I've never said. This specific accusation you've made before and it's always been a lie.
4690K @4.5Ghz, 4K, Frame rates did really dip but all 4 cores are at very high load, sometime as high as 100%, it felt horrible and at 1440P, my native resolution it was unplayable, this with a GTX 1070, this is why i got the Ryzen 1600, it fixed not only that but at 1440P i was up to 300 FPS butter smooth.
Still play this game now with the 2070S at over 500 FPS and the 3600 is like "meh"
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4690K vs Ryzen 1600.
I think the game should run fine think its issue with that game when I turn off Vsync I get tearing
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/izqmc7/rx_5700_xt_on_mafia_definitive_edition/
4690K @4.5Ghz, 4K, Frame rates did really dip but all 4 cores are at very high load, sometime as high as 100%, it felt horrible and at 1440P, my native resolution it was unplayable, this with a GTX 1070, this is why i got the Ryzen 1600, it fixed not only that but at 1440P i was up to 300 FPS butter smooth.
Still play this game now with the 2070S at over 500 FPS and the 3600 is like "meh"
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4690K vs Ryzen 1600.
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List prices in various UK based shops are
1060KF ~£239
1060K ~£249
5600x £289(only overclockers.co.uk has a list price )
Don't forget that for i5-1060K/KF you need a new motherboard, good old b450/x470 will still support 5600x, and 550/570 motherboard have advantage of PCI-e4 storage = faster loading.
Any price difference in favour of i5 gets lost in motherboard upgrade costs, not to mention that in productivity ryzen 5600x spanks i5 so hard it's not even fun watching anymore.
For anyone using PC for ore than gaming, including anyone wanting to montage gaming videos it would be mad to go with intel right now.
List prices in various UK based shops are
1060KF ~£239
1060K ~£249
5600x £289(only overclockers.co.uk has a list price )
Don't forget that for i5-1060K/KF you need a new motherboard, good old b450/x470 will still support 5600x, and 550/570 motherboard have advantage of PCI-e4 storage = faster loading.
Any price difference in favour of i5 gets lost in motherboard upgrade costs, not to mention that in productivity ryzen 5600x spanks i5 so hard it's not even fun watching anymore.
For anyone using PC for ore than gaming, including anyone wanting to montage gaming videos it would be mad to go with intel right now.
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The cheapest I can find from two or three well known shops is around £230 for the 10600KF. Also ATM,you can't actually run a 5000 series AMD CPU in a 400 series motherboard until next year.
The issue is if you look at the AMD charts,they state the Ryzen 5 5600X and Core i5 10600K are the same price,and the former has 13% better gaming performance value at stock(which means 13% better gaming performance).
If you look at benchmarks of the various Cometlake S CPUs,the Core i5 lacks thermal velocity boost,which means its much more held back at stock compared to the higher end parts. This is why when you overclock it actually comes quite close to the Intel Core i7/Core i9 CPUs and gains more from overclocking. If you don't believe me - look at Gamersnexus after they tweaked their Core i5 10600K(especially WRT to cache and memory).
The issue is the B550 motherboards are more expensive compared to the B450 motherboards,so even the motherboard cost isn't a big factor anymore(sadly),and for a Core i5 one of the cheaper Z490 motherboards is fine. So you can literally get a Core i5 10600KF,with a decent cooler and a Z490 motherboard for not more than a Ryzen 5 5600X,using the rubbish Wraith Stealth with a B550 motherboard.If you want to actually tweak that Ryzen 5 5600X,you will need to add a cooler at greater cost. Now if AMD had included the Wraith Spire or Wraith Prism,then that wouldn't be a question.
Also for productivity,why even bother with a Ryzen 5 5600X?? I have a Ryzen 5 myself,and mates with Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 CPUs get less performance drop-off if they want to try streaming,etc. Its the same reason why a Core i5 will have the same problem against the Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 CPUs in those scenarios.
I can literally get a 12C/24T Ryzen 9 3900 non-X in bundle deals with a motherboard for around £310~£325,and there have been deals for the Ryzen 7 3700X recently for around £250. Both will actually run in older motherboards right now.
The Ryzen 5 5600X is stuck between a rock and a hard place. It appears to be a faster Core i5 10600K at a higher price and I think the Core i5 is overpriced too.
We will need to see how the Ryzen 5 5600 non-X pans out. Because in the end neither the Ryzen 5 5600X or Core i5 10600K look very good value compared to the Ryzen 5 3600. The fact is the only SKUs which seem to make any sense in actual pricing are the Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 9 5950X. The Ryzen 9 5900X is actually cheaper per core than the Ryzen 5 5600X!
Also many of these games probably need patching to improve general stability too.
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Isn’t the vanilla 3900 just 12 threads?
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I think most prices will change before launch or, using a new trick from the 3080 launch, will change after an hour of sales.(Family Fortunes incorrect answer sound)
£279 and £280 elsewhere, bad shopper!
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