Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [20th - 23rd Nov 2020]

Calpol said:
We've had van Gaal and Mourinho and still played like this this against teams that look not to concede. Our players just aren't good enough.
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Mourinho coaches teams on defensive shapes and positions. He doesn't coach attacking shapes and movement. LvG admitted that his goal was to control the game with posession and then hope that his flair players did something to win the game. He would bemoan a single missed chance as the reason for a loss. In his head, that was how you win. You have the ball the whole time and eventually you will get a chance and take it.

You can see what Mourinho is doing at Spurs. They defend with the whole team and then Son and Kane hit teams on the break with the understanding they have built over the past 5 or so years.

Neither of them would be considered a modern or progressive coach. Neither of them play exciting, attacking football.
 
fez said:
You don't come off your line... thats the rule. Thats the idea of the rule, to stop keepers giving themselves an unfair advantage. Thats like complaining that its hard for a defence to play the offside trap when you have fast players attacking them.
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If they are going to be militant with goalkeepers , then the strikers run ups need to be closely analysed to see whether that stutter step results in a 'stop' at any point so that the penalty is voided.

The WBA keeper wasn't trying to commit to a huge forward dive. You could see him trying to wait until the shot and he still got fooled twice. The current application is inequitable and producing stupid results.
 
Moothead2 said:
Funny seeing the difference in opinion on the Villa penalty and the WBA penalty reversals when they were essentially the same thing :D
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The Villa penalty where he grazed his leg as opposed to the West Brom one where he full on kicked him?

The whole reason to change a decision is based on if it was "clear and obvious" and in fairness for both decision id love to know what the refs missed when they changed their decisions.
 
Snax said:
If they are going to be militant with goalkeepers , then the strikers run ups need to be closely analysed to see whether that stutter step results in a 'stop' sat any point to that the penalty is voided.

The WBA keeper wasn't trying to commit to a huge forward dove. You could see him trying to wait until the shot and he still got fooled twice. The current application is inequitable and producing stupid results.
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If it was such an advantage everyone would be doing it. Its not. Some players have done it for years and others haven't. Keepers are just suddenly having to follow the rules that they should have been pulled up on for years. All things considered, if you take a normal fast run up and hit the ball hard the keeper won't be able to leave the line in any real way without sacrificing lateral movement. A stuttering run up makes is much harder to change your mind at the last second and place the ball well. Its a trade off. Its harder for the keeper to stay on his line and its harder for the player to generate a lot of power in his shot.

Basically, I don't have any issue with it. Keepers aren't supposed to come off their line. Its a bit like the handball debate. Plenty of players hold their arms behind their back when blocking crosses. If you decide not to then you can't complain if your outstretched arm gives away a penalty.
 
Townsend saying how all the top teams want 2 games a week... despite lots of the managers saying the schedules are a joke and dangerous for the players. Such well informed commentators really add to the game don't they.
 
omnomnom said:
The Villa penalty where he grazed his leg as opposed to the West Brom one where he full on kicked him?

The whole reason to change a decision is based on if it was "clear and obvious" and in fairness for both decision id love to know what the refs missed when they changed their decisions.
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What game were you watching? The kicking contact was literally no different :confused:
 
fez said:
If it was such an advantage everyone would be doing it. Its not. Some players have done it for years and others haven't. Keepers are just suddenly having to follow the rules that they should have been pulled up on for years. All things considered, if you take a normal fast run up and hit the ball hard the keeper won't be able to leave the line in any real way without sacrificing lateral movement. A stuttering run up makes is much harder to change your mind at the last second and place the ball well. Its a trade off. Its harder for the keeper to stay on his line and its harder for the player to generate a lot of power in his shot.

Basically, I don't have any issue with it. Keepers aren't supposed to come off their line. Its a bit like the handball debate. Plenty of players hold their arms behind their back when blocking crosses. If you decide not to then you can't complain if your outstretched arm gives away a penalty.
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People have been doing it for years but this is the first season where the goalkeeper's position has been analysed.

The stutter was used to try and get a goalkeeper to commit to one way or another before the ball has been struck. By its nature it has to allow for last minute changes in decisions...not sure why you think it is harder to change your mind when it is traditionally used to prompt a GK move before the strike (which then goes the opposite way to the GK).

The keepers dive in a diagonal to reduce the angle. I don't think the striker should complain if their stutter produces an early dive, as it is designed to do and the keeper is off the line.
 
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