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So, AMD has no response to the rtx 3060 ti / 3070 founders editions this year?

The 5700XT is your <£500 option :p

I wouldn't expect the 6700 (XT) to be much better tbh. Maybe a little better, but 5700XT users probably won't get excited about upgrading to anything below the 6800.
 
and the 6800 was aimed at the 3070 even if the pricing is skewered.

I also wouldnt bother with a 6800 coming from my 5700xt.

6800xt or 3080 definitely.
 
Hakanese said:
I think it's better they don't announce anything until the supplies for everything begin to stabilize
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Agreed. If you're not pumping cards out by the tens of thousands, then best not announce anything. We've been through this **** up already, no need to repeat it all over again!
 
FoxEye said:
The 5700XT is your <£500 option :p

I wouldn't expect the 6700 (XT) to be much better tbh. Maybe a little better, but 5700XT users probably won't get excited about upgrading to anything below the 6800.
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The 6700XT will drop somewhere between 2080S and 2080ti probably closer to the Ti
 
AMD is leaving room for the 6700 series GPUs, the xt should compete with the 3070. I think 'enough' people will still buy the 6800 to have more vram than the 6700 xt and 3070.

Its worth remembering that gddr6 vram is expensive, an extra 8gb might add an extra $100 to the production cost... I think this explains the 6800 price.
 
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FoxEye said:
I wouldn't expect the 6700 (XT) to be much better tbh.
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This:
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We know there has been quite a large improvement in performance, as the PS5 GPU is much more powerful than the rx 5700 (both 36 compute units), since it can play games at 4k resolution (not always 60 fps ofc).

It looks like the 6700 series release will coincide with the AIB price drops AMD aims for in 1-2 months time.

1 limitation of this chart, is that it only shows perf per watt improvement. AMD could still achieve ~50% increase by lowering the TDP of the 6700 XT to 200w (5700 xt has tdp of 225). In that case, perhaps ~40% perf. improvement is more accurate.

The 3DMark Timespy score of the 5700 xt + 40% works out at 13,300 points, just under the RTX 3070 score score of ~14,000.

The 5700 XT gets an average of 49.7 fps at 4k, according to Techpowerup. So, +40% for the 6700 XT would be an average of 69.5 fps.

If it ends up 50% faster, this would mean an average 74.5 fps, maybe a bit too close to the 6800, which gets 81.4fps on average a 4k.
 
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Apparently the 6700 series should clock really well. I'm expecting the 6700 XT to perform like a somewhat bandwidth constrained 2080 in raster - beating it at lower resolutions, losing at higher resolutions. Losing hard in RT, though. I think it'll sit in between the 3060 Ti and 3060.
 
Imo you can forget about RT entirely with AMD on anything less than a 6800. Hell, even with that I can't quite lock 60 fps in Control at 1080p all the time (RT high). Obviously for single-effect RT games like Exodus or SotTR it's perfectly fine, but for anything more RT-heavy? Forget it. A 40 CU 6700 XT will simply choke, it doesn't matter if it could clock to even 5 Ghz. There's just not enough RAs in it.
 
Just watched a YouTube video from "Moore's Law is Dead" showing a picture of a 3060Ti with a $579 price tag. He is saying there was a last minute price change. It was supposed to be $500 but nVidia insisted they knock $100 of it and the AIB partners had already set their prices (+markup) are they are not happy. If this is true I suspect they might struggle to keep the price down to the $400. What we get in UK£ will likely be high.
 
g67575 said:
This:
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We know there has been quite a large improvement in performance, as the PS5 GPU is much more powerful than the rx 5700 (both 36 compute units), since it can play games at 4k resolution (not always 60 fps ofc).

It looks like the 6700 series release will coincide with the AIB price drops AMD aims for in 1-2 months time.

1 limitation of this chart, is that it only shows perf per watt improvement. AMD could still achieve ~50% increase by lowering the TDP of the 6700 XT to 200w (5700 xt has tdp of 225). In that case, perhaps ~40% perf. improvement is more accurate.

The 3DMark Timespy score of the 5700 xt + 40% works out at 13,300 points, just under the RTX 3070 score score of ~14,000.

The 5700 XT gets an average of 49.7 fps at 4k, according to Techpowerup. So, +40% for the 6700 XT would be an average of 69.5 fps.

If it ends up 50% faster, this would mean an average 74.5 fps, maybe a bit too close to the 6800, which gets 81.4fps on average a 4k.
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The 6700XT is getting a 3Ghz clock limit, this vs 2.8Ghz of the 6800 series, so it will probably be clocked 200Mhz higher out of the box, 2.4Ghz.

Compare that with the 5700XT which runs at 1.9Ghz that's a clock speed gain of 26%, with higher effective memory bandwidth my guess is the actual performance gain over the 5700XT will be 25 to 30%, that's your avrage of 65 FPS. +40% would put it slightly over a 3070, i don't think so :) Somewhere between a 2080 Super and a 2080TI, slightly faster than an RTX 3060TI, or at least = to.
 
They key to AMD GPU releases is not to get your hopes up :p Best start with very low expectations and then you can only be pleasantly surprised :p

So I'm going to assume that 6700XT is marginally better than a 5700XT, or that any % perf increase will be matched by a similar % cost increase.

Pick one or the other! :p
 
g67575 said:
This:
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We know there has been quite a large improvement in performance, as the PS5 GPU is much more powerful than the rx 5700 (both 36 compute units), since it can play games at 4k resolution (not always 60 fps ofc).

It looks like the 6700 series release will coincide with the AIB price drops AMD aims for in 1-2 months time.

1 limitation of this chart, is that it only shows perf per watt improvement. AMD could still achieve ~50% increase by lowering the TDP of the 6700 XT to 200w (5700 xt has tdp of 225). In that case, perhaps ~40% perf. improvement is more accurate.

The 3DMark Timespy score of the 5700 xt + 40% works out at 13,300 points, just under the RTX 3070 score score of ~14,000.

The 5700 XT gets an average of 49.7 fps at 4k, according to Techpowerup. So, +40% for the 6700 XT would be an average of 69.5 fps.

If it ends up 50% faster, this would mean an average 74.5 fps, maybe a bit too close to the 6800, which gets 81.4fps on average a 4k.
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amd achieved around 60% performance watt
6700xt wont make sense to go up vs the 3060ti as the 5700xt can match it in various titles.
 
Who thinks the performance of the 6700 will be worse than the ps5 GPU :p and cost $500 + vat?

that would go down like a lead balloon...

its been a year and a half since the 5700 series release, it would be kind of a rip off to charge more than the 5700 and 5700 xt rrp prices.

the last gen should fall in price - but it has been discontinued (I think?) so maybe not...

I think the console gpu supply was prioritised over the 6700 series, MS + Sony need to sell as many consoles as possible before xmas.
 
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