Is "affordable housing" a red herring when it comes to roughsleepers?

Because they aren't working for it tbh when they could.

They should be offered re-hab for free.

After re-hab they should then be housed in a publicly run business of sorts. given a job where their payment is a roof and three square meals. their work produces products which can then be sold to re-coup costs of re-hab and providing these meals and housing.

They are then free to stay there so long as they work and stick to the rules (no drugs, etc). The idea being that they use this experience to find a paying job and move out into the real world again.

Basically a full rehabilitation.

Work camps aren't "a full rehabilitation". It's been tried. It doesn't work. Well, it works in the sense of providing slave labour for unscrupulous businesses. But not in the sense of rehabilitation.
 
If the homeless had free housing and bills completely paid for it wouldn't make a difference, these are people with drug or mental health problems and are not capable of living by or looking after themselves.

Whilst I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was a large majority, it certainly isn't every one of them.
 
There is no "affordable housing", unless you want to live somewhere grim with lack of jobs. Which is why it's cheap in the first place.
 
When's the last time it was tried in the UK?

1948, after about 300 years of failing to be any kind of rehabilitation. Although, to be fair, initially there wasn't even any pretence at any attempt at rehabilitation. So it could be said that they only failed at any kind of rehabilitation for about 100 years.

Do you have any evidence that they succeeded in rehabilitation anywhere in the world? Or any reason to think they could now despite having failed in the past and all the existing ones in the present (China has very many, for example) failing today? They sure do provide cheap labour, though. Very cheap labour. Easily made free labour by paying the inmates in scrip that can only be spent at shops owned by the organisation running the work camps. Which, of course, is what usually happens in one way or another.

Maybe it would be different somehow if you were in charge. But you wouldn't be.
 
There is no "affordable housing", unless you want to live somewhere grim with lack of jobs. Which is why it's cheap in the first place.

Housing is affordable (to some extent) in Stoke on Trent.

Oh, wait..."somewhere grim with lack of jobs" :)
 
They need to stop people hoarding houses. My next door neighbour already had 11 houses when he moved in 9 years ago. He asked all the local estate agents to give him first refusal when cheap places come up. The likes of him are literally taking affordable houses away from people so they can rent it to them instead.
 
They need to stop people hoarding houses. My next door neighbour already had 11 houses when he moved in 9 years ago. He asked all the local estate agents to give him first refusal when cheap places come up. The likes of him are literally taking affordable houses away from people so they can rent it to them instead.

Yep BTL is like pouring fuel on the fire
 
A lot of new estates have a "ban" on BTL, but after the first owner or first year etc that expires. It needs to be perminently on the deed.
 
1948, after about 300 years of failing to be any kind of rehabilitation. Although, to be fair, initially there wasn't even any pretence at any attempt at rehabilitation. So it could be said that they only failed at any kind of rehabilitation for about 100 years.

Do you have any evidence that they succeeded in rehabilitation anywhere in the world? Or any reason to think they could now despite having failed in the past and all the existing ones in the present (China has very many, for example) failing today? They sure do provide cheap labour, though. Very cheap labour. Easily made free labour by paying the inmates in scrip that can only be spent at shops owned by the organisation running the work camps. Which, of course, is what usually happens in one way or another.

Maybe it would be different somehow if you were in charge. But you wouldn't be.

So it's never been tried in the modern world in a western nation that complies with human rights.

1948 was a different world. There could be a trial to begin with no need for mass adoption until the trial sees if it could work or not.

A lot of the people have the mentality that I'm worth more, etc. They have to take into account the facilities and rehab are expensive to run and they have to contribute to pay their way.

Or if you want to run them like they did 300 years ago you may as well just ship them all to China.
 
sounds plausible, the severity of the problem varies from authority to authority. It is so bad in my City that they have closed registrations unless you already deemed in a emergency.

Mainly down to the right to buy program started by thatcher and lack of social houses been built to match the demand.

In my opinion the private market is not possible to regulate rents as ultimately landlords want to make money, meaning renting will cost more than a mortgage on the private market. If its regulated then private stock would dry up, the only solution is a mass building program of social housing.
 
So it's never been tried in the modern world in a western nation that complies with human rights.

1948 was a different world. There could be a trial to begin with no need for mass adoption until the trial sees if it could work or not.

A lot of the people have the mentality that I'm worth more, etc. They have to take into account the facilities and rehab are expensive to run and they have to contribute to pay their way.

Or if you want to run them like they did 300 years ago you may as well just ship them all to China.

It's something that has never worked in any place at any time. That does not bode well for it working here and now. 1948 was not a different world - it was this world and this country.

I'm not saying it's impossible to make it work, somehow. I'm saying that there's no reason to think it would work and plenty of reason to think it wouldn't.
 
It's something that has never worked in any place at any time. That does not bode well for it working here and now. 1948 was not a different world - it was this world and this country.

I'm not saying it's impossible to make it work, somehow. I'm saying that there's no reason to think it would work and plenty of reason to think it wouldn't.

It's a little too reminiscent of Victorian workhouses for my comfort.
 
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