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Are Scalpers Here to Stay?

Martini1991 said:
To be honest, the problem is exacerbated by *not* being able to pre-order.

There's only finite demand, by limiting the opportunity to buy you're allowing bots to control the stock?
I'd be happy to go on AMD's site and pay the £600 for a 6800XT pre-order, at this point I wouldn't care if I got it in February, but it's unacceptable to have to fart around trying to find that 10 second gap to buy one. And when they did have stock their handling was a shambles and I couldn't buy it in the UK for reasons?
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they dont care, they have said this much multiple times... there are pre orders on nvidia cards but not amd ones why? also they have stock but not selling. why is this?
 
Gerard said:
Think that's been postponed to after christmas.

ED: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/34357155/
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this is not a good thing, holding onto stock drives up demand and price... it creates false hype.

there will still be the same amount of people wanting them, but now because they have to wait they will have more money to spend and or be willing to spend more as they cant wait any longer. they arnt doing this with cpus either. and they are having very similar issues.
 
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Martini1991 said:
To be honest, the problem is exacerbated by *not* being able to pre-order.

There's only finite demand, by limiting the opportunity to buy you're allowing bots to control the stock?
I'd be happy to go on AMD's site and pay the £600 for a 6800XT pre-order, at this point I wouldn't care if I got it in February, but it's unacceptable to have to fart around trying to find that 10 second gap to buy one. And when they did have stock their handling was a shambles and I couldn't buy it in the UK for reasons?
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I don't think AMD actually want to sell the reference cards.

The RRP is fake, they can't make them that cheap. It was basically a stunt with a limited run (they have somewhat been forced to backtrack but we don't know what kind of quantities AMD will be producing).

What they really want is for us to all buy £800+ AIB cards.

So operating a queue system from AMD's perspective would be a terrible idea. Then many thousands/millions of people would order from AMD at fake RRP, and not from the AIBs at +£200 or +300 over fake RRP price.

:p
 
FoxEye said:
I don't think AMD actually want to sell the reference cards.

The RRP is fake, they can't make them that cheap. It was basically a stunt with a limited run (they have somewhat been forced to backtrack but we don't know what kind of quantities AMD will be producing).

What they really want is for us to all buy £800+ AIB cards.

So operating a queue system from AMD's perspective would be a terrible idea. Then many thousands/millions of people would order from AMD at fake RRP, and not from the AIBs at +£200 or +300 over fake RRP price.

:p
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why would they gain any money money from the aib cards, they likely loose on those too to be fair, they wont sell them at full price to aibs, they will be sold in bulk cheaper. and the profit is partially split.
they likely have never seen demand like this and haven't invested in the website, you can tell by the fact it goes down every so often and the store isnt even up to date... html and css issues all of last sunday kinda gives the website story away tbh.
 
pp111 said:
No, really, it won't. Just take a look at what the government did regards ticket touts. I don't this is about supply and demand, it is more about a group of individuals forcing the prices high and they are so blatant that it really annoys people. People make the law. There are plenty of laws in place to stop annoying tactics like this.
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Government cut off the touts biggest platform to sell tickets which put a stop to the mass ripping off. But people are still able to sell tickets at inflated rates just not as many any more. So less touts making a lot of money now.

computer hardware how do you plan on doing that? Shut down Facebook market place? Auctions? Forums like OCUK? Impossible basically.

only way to stem this rot is for people to come to their senses and don’t pay inflated prices. Also limiting 1 card per sale per address would be useful. Maybe a blockchain of register for the card sale would be handy in keeping tabs where who these scalpers are and thus block them forever.
 
Mesai said:
Scalpers only exist because people are stupid/desparate(why?) enough to buy from them.

There will always be a way around the rules unless the government actually criminalise the act.
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stupid maybe a bit strong, but reason scalpers exsist is because of the consumer, if they didnt they wouldn't exist , so blame the consumer and scalper,a gpu is rarely a must buy.
you cant have one without the other
 
MCFC_ANDY said:
stupid maybe a bit strong, but reason scalpers exsist is because of the consumer, if they didnt they wouldn't exist , so blame the consumer and scalper,a gpu is rarely a must buy.
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Too true.

Also I can’t believe OCUK’s pricing is justifying cost.

5900x at a competitor - £509 with delivery inc
5900x at OCUK - £599 + delivery.

On a £500 part a 20% markup, what kind of costs does that cover that warrants 20% markup. If this isnt just profiteering off short term supply and demand then I dunno what is. OCUK isn’t alone. It is nearly all the shops to a varying degree. I have seen 5900x in stock for £730 also. (Hope this hasn’t given anyone any ideas at OCUK shop)

anyway I don’t buy the premise that MSRP is cost and we make no money on that statement.
 
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pc-guy said:
Too true.

Also I can’t believe OCUK’s pricing is justifying cost.

5900x at a competitor - £509 with delivery inc
5900x at OCUK - £599 + delivery.

On a £500 part a 20% markup, what kind of costs does that cover that warrants 20% markup. anyway I didn’t buy the premise that MSRP is cost and we make no money on that statement.
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£599? Was £570 or thereabouts earlier. :eek:
 
henson0115 said:
small in terms of what? define the quantity, people, profit, turnover, etc you can have a few employees but turnover millions/billions, does that make you small? guess so in terms of people. so really depends in what way you asking, but it seems like based on sales.
how can anyone know what there sales are like unless they tell us?
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Say compared to the company that were selling the FE cards
 
Sorry if this has been mentioned before.

Does purchasing an item from a scalper limit your warranty? I would assume so? I wonder if retailers and manufacturers of high priced tech would like scapers being the middle men.
 
sg0 said:
Sorry if this has been mentioned before.

Does purchasing an item from a scalper limit your warranty? I would assume so? I wonder if retailers and manufacturers of high priced tech would like scapers being the middle men.
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Well if their name and address is on the receipt that they give you then its gonna be harder to get it replaced as it'll be seen as second hand even if it was unused and unopened.
 
As far back as PS2, this has happened. Same as original Wii launch.
Nothing done then, nothing ever will.
Learn to code, build a bot :)
 
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