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WJA96 said:
Anyone using NeedToCharge? I’ve just used it to politely hustle someone off a Pod-Point charger at Lidl. The Nissan Leaf in question had been there 3 hours and when I spoke to the driver he’d just left it there while he and his wife went shopping in town. Fair enough and he came pretty quickly when asked.

It seems a nice, polite, system.
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Good call. Got it and signed up, not had to use it yet.
 
Russinating said:
Yeah fair enough. Was just thinking they should give you a free sticker when you register to spread the word but I presume it's just 1 guy who's created it.
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You can print them off as stuff for your car and also as flyers for others. Was on EV news daily probably about a year ago talking about how he created it.
 
GinG said:
So still looking at Electric vehicles on the NHS scheme and after looking today the new 208 is available to order.

On a 10k all in lease through the salary sacrifice its coming in at £185 per month...the car looks great so might be tempted to go have a look round one.
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Feels like a massive no brainer to me.
 
A month in with my 330e and i think i could make a Tesla m3 LR work, im ready for the electric world for my work hack. I still find them a bit soul less though. I only enjoy the 330e in sport mode. I spent a week in a Model 3 and it was nice for the 1st couple of days from a tech POV, but after that it felt a bit meh. But i could definately make it work and the savings are fantastic.
 
Tinders said:
A month in with my 330e and i think i could make a Tesla m3 LR work, im ready for the electric world for my work hack. I still find them a bit soul less though. I only enjoy the 330e in sport mode. I spent a week in a Model 3 and it was nice for the 1st couple of days from a tech POV, but after that it felt a bit meh. But i could definately make it work and the savings are fantastic.
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I sort of know what you mean by soul-less. Over the Christmas break I took my dear old dad out for a run in my SAAB 96 V4. Now this is a car that is 0-60 in about 12 seconds and it's an unbalanced V4 designed in the 1960's so it vibrates. I mean VIBRATES. And the semi-clutchless freewheel gearshift is a thing you have to master. The steering wheel is massive and it needs to be to get leverage on the steering. The whole thing is alive and you and the car work together to get where you're going. Mechanical sympathy is required to get to your destination and even when it's serviced to death and pampered like crazy, you generally have something small go wrong. So driving becomes a thrill.

That said, we both massively preferred getting back in the Kona afterwards. Soul-less fridge on wheels it might be but it's a nicer experience all round. And pretty much stress-free.
 
had previously sought out the brexit ramifications for ev's

These are the rules of origin, according to the trade deal:
  • Gasoline and diesel cars need to be made with at least 55 percent local content to avoid tariffs -- five percentage points more than what automakers and the UK wanted.
  • EVs and hybrids will need 40 percent local content, 10 percentage points more than what the UK sought.
  • Until 2023, batteries can have as much as 70 percent overseas content, and EVs and hybrids can have as much as 60 percent foreign content.
  • From 2024 to 2026 -- when European battery production is expected to be further along -- batteries can have 50 percent overseas content, and EVs and hybrids 55 percent foreign content
  • It’s unclear whether Nissan’s all-electric Leaf hatchbacks built in Sunderland have enough local content to avoid levies. While Nissan welcomes the trade agreement, it will now “assess the detailed implications for our operations and products,” Azusa Momose, a company spokeswoman in Yokohama, said by email.
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so where will the deals be short term ? Leaf
 
It is with a heavy (and perhaps old) heart, that I agree. No stress for me thanks!
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I kind of agree aswell, my biggest issue is being dragged, kicking and screaming, into an auto world. That said, im loving pre heating my car in the morning, loving not having to visit a petrol station and the whirring along is quite theraputic.

Like i say for a daily, i have no issues with going for an electric car, even with a PHEV, ive developed a habit of seeking out free chargers to help with keeping things topped up. I do long distances 3 or 4 times a month and i can make it work no problems.
 
jpaul said:
had previously sought out the brexit ramifications for ev's
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so will/can the UK impose duties on the peugot e-208 , or other european bev's if they don't satisfy the criteria where we would have to pay duties exporting to them ?
or is this a one way problem
 
It cuts both ways but it willl get lost in the pricing/discounts/inflation somewhere. If they had a bit of cost savings before it won’t be passed on now. Just buy British, Korean, Chinese or American. The European automakers don’t really want to sell BEVs at the moment.
 
WJA96 said:
It cuts both ways but it willl get lost in the pricing/discounts/inflation somewhere. If they had a bit of cost savings before it won’t be passed on now. Just buy British, Korean, Chinese or American. The European automakers don’t really want to sell BEVs at the moment.
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1. If a 10% tariff was applied to all BEV coming in from Europe then I'm pretty sure you would notice a change in the pricing. BEVs are a relatively low margin vehicle, in general.

2. Why not buy European BEVs? Is there something intrinsically wrong with the likes of the ID3, e-208, Corsa-e, Zoe, EQC, i3, Taycan, e-2008?

3. European automakers need to sell BEVs at the moment, as many of them need the supercredits to hit their CO2. VW for example is very close to being fined for their fleet average, so are pushing the ID3 pretty hard right now.
 
I've sure you're right @Joe T. But you can guarantee no tariffs on the British, US/Mexican, Chinese and Korean cars. Those trade deals are done.

What's wrong the iD3? The software, the efficiency. The fact that it's made by VW who still haven't settled the DieselGate issues? I wouldn't touch VAG with a bargepole at the moment.

What's wrong with the EQC? Where do I begin? It's just pants. It's horrifically inefficient and it's shockingly badly packaged and it's clearly a bodged-up GLC. If it's teh best or nothing then this is nothing.

What's wrong with the Taycan? Nothing. But it's VAG, so I wouldn't buy it.

What's wrong with the e-20(0)8 - Interior (I accept that's a matter of taste), range/efficiency.

What's wrong with the Corsa e - very little (efficiency/range maybe) but compare it to a similarly priced Hyundai Ioniq and it looks spectacularly bad value for money when you consider that the Hyundai will go the same distance with much less battery so it's a bigger car for the same money and costs MUCH less to run.

And I would argue that they don't need to sell BEVs because their PHEVs, their approach to CO2 controls (eerily like DieselGate) and their hook-up with Tesla (FIAT/Chrysler/Jeep) are bringing the numbers down to a level they can live with.
 
WJA96 said:
I've sure you're right @Joe T. But you can guarantee no tariffs on the British, US/Mexican, Chinese and Korean cars. Those trade deals are done.
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There are currently tariffs on cars from the US (10%) and China (10%). I dont think we've yet got new trade deals in place with those countries which change the status quo?

WJA96 said:
I've sure you're right @Joe T
And I would argue that they don't need to sell BEVs because their PHEVs, their approach to CO2 controls (eerily like DieselGate) and their hook-up with Tesla (FIAT/Chrysler/Jeep) are bringing the numbers down to a level they can live with.
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The stats, plus the fact the ID3 was rushed to market, suggest otherwise. BEV vs PHEV sales by the VW group in the UK are very very heavily weighted towards BEV. (BTW, VW are pooling with SAIC not FCA). As late as November the VW group were still expecting to be fined, which is not a good place to be.
 
You can’t dismiss cars like the 208 on just numbers, or indeed the Honda E. it’s how good they look and how they make you feel. That’s what car ownership has always been about, the emotional side aswell as logic and people find varying level of balance.

I could never have a Ioniq for example as I don’t like this feeling of being just another PCP junkie. I don’t mind for efficiency as we are comparing the calories of carrots or cucumbers, we left the bars of chocolate behind in the previous aisle. It’s a step change regardless. :)
 
I get your comments about the Honda E but in reality the car is just isn’t suitable for my and many others needs. I love the way it looks, it’s just too small, has a terrible range and is way too expensive.

No trade deals yet which change the status quo but Tesla, MG and Polestar make it work without issue in that regard.

I could make a Zoe work on the range but it’s a bit cheap on the inside. For me the sweet spot in range is about 250 miles (WLTP, 200 real). It’s the point where I no longer feel restricted on where I can realistically drive. 200 miles means you can drive for about 2-2.5 hours, do what you want to do and drive back with a quick splash and dash on a rapid somewhere. Living in the east of England that’s a pretty common occurrence for us and I think anything less than that would make it a massive chore.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
You can’t dismiss cars like the 208 on just numbers, or indeed the Honda E. it’s how good they look and how they make you feel. That’s what car ownership has always been about, the emotional side aswell as logic and people find varying level of balance.

I could never have a Ioniq for example as I don’t like this feeling of being just another PCP junkie. I don’t mind for efficiency as we are comparing the calories of carrots or cucumbers, we left the bars of chocolate behind in the previous aisle. It’s a step change regardless. :)
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I think there will always be people who want what they want. The Mini Cooper e is arguably quite good value for a BEV because it's basically the same price as a petrol 1.6l Mini Cooper. But does it only look great value because the ICE car is stupidly expensive? And the Mini gets good efficiency too. And I think the whacky i3 sold a load of i3s because people would have bought it if it was powered by steam because its a vehicle you either do or don't WANT. The Honda e is another car people truly want to buy and they'll pay for it.

When you get down to bread-and-butter cars like the BEV Ioniq and the Corsa e then there will always be people who buy British so they'll (erroneously) buy the Vauxhall. And there will be people who want a smaller car so they'll buy the Vauxhall. But by any rational calculation the Ioniq is the better value proposition. Don't get me started on the Kona as a value proposition because it's rubbish. Tesla I think have a compelling sales proposition. Range and speed with inoffensive looks and solid residuals (because there are no discounts on new ones) and the supercharger network.

I think Polestar and the i-Pace rather fall into the middle ground between the bread-and-butter and the truly 'I want' cars. Yes, you want one, but generally what pushes you that way over a Tesla is a discounted price and better availability.
 
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