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Adamof81 said:
Originally I thought this too but so far RDR2, Cuberpunk and MSFS2020 have all hit the 10gb limit on even 3080s with “computer says no can do” messages before you even leave the graphics options. These only happen in 4K but anything that uses 4K texture packs massively eats up the remaining ram. That 1gb extra in my 2080ti makes all the difference despite being a significantly slower card. I believe this issue is only going to get worse in next 2 years. I could still be tempted by a 3080 but I’d always have a nagging in the back of my head if I started to have to turn settings down on it within the first year. Maybe some video game studios could start better optimising the VRAM to take account of the DDRS6x
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Are you saying that your getting better performance with a 11gb 2080ti than you would with a 10gb 3080 at 4k? An extra 1gb over what makes all the difference? The 3080 beats the 2080ti in every single use case you can think of. I've seen nothing that suggests otherwise in any game at any resolution. Are you sure you aren't just watching your game cache available ram?

Studios don't need to better optimise for GDDR6x. More speed is more speed. It just means the memory can process more data per second - has a higher throughput, so it's better at shifting those 4k textures. What nvidia decided was that 10gb gddr6x offered more gains than 16gb+ of Gddr6. They also decided that the extra cost of going over 10gb DDR6x was going to wreak the price to performance ratio - which it does.

A really interesting card to see would be a 12gb 3090. I could see it matching a 3090 24gb everywhere except the most demanding productivity work, and beating a 20gb 3080ti while costing less to make - because vram is expensive and higher bandwidth is more useful.
 
percept said:
A really interesting card to see would be a 12gb 3090. I could see it matching a 3090 24gb everywhere except the most demanding productivity work, and beating a 20gb 3080ti while costing less to make - because vram is expensive and higher bandwidth is more useful.
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Agreed. Sounds too good to be true though :-/

Also Nvidia already have all the demand they could ever need so there's no need for them to be that innovative...
 
percept said:
Are you saying that your getting better performance with a 11gb 2080ti than you would with a 10gb 3080 at 4k? An extra 1gb over what makes all the difference? The 3080 beats the 2080ti in every single use case you can think of. I've seen nothing that suggests otherwise in any game at any resolution. Are you sure you aren't just watching your game cache available ram?

Studios don't need to better optimise for GDDR6x. More speed is more speed. It just means the memory can process more data per second - has a higher throughput, so it's better at shifting those 4k textures. What nvidia decided was that 10gb gddr6x offered more gains than 16gb+ of Gddr6. They also decided that the extra cost of going over 10gb DDR6x was going to wreak the price to performance ratio - which it does.

A really interesting card to see would be a 12gb 3090. I could see it matching a 3090 24gb everywhere except the most demanding productivity work, and beating a 20gb 3080ti while costing less to make - because vram is expensive and higher bandwidth is more useful.
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nope not saying that at all but in layman’s terms if I put a 3080 onto RDR2 for instance and crank everything at ultra 4K it simply won’t let you as you get the error saying you’ve hit the VRAM limit at about 9.5Gb as it won’t let you use more than 90%. This doesn’t happen with the 2080ti. Same with cyberpunk and especially with doom eternal on nightmare settings. Plenty of threads out there about this subject. Normally it means dropping one or two settings from ultra to high to get under vram limit but that doesn’t bode well for the next few years of game development at 4K at all hence my quandary.
 
Tom Morgan said:
Lol you guys still believe in a 20gb 3080, your joking, it’ll be a 16gb 3080ti and eventually a 6gb 3060, and probably a 10gb 3070ti
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Iv seen an article somewhere like Tom’s hardware or something like that that thinks due to the way the memory channelling or some other ******** like that that the 3080ti would have to be a 20gb model just for it to be used on the same die.I can’t remember the full ins and outs as it was way too geek talk for me to comprehend.
 
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Adamof81 said:
Iv seen an article somewhere like Tom’s hardware or something like that that thinks due to the way the memory channelling or some other ******** like that that the 3080ti would have to be a 20gb model just for it to be used on the same die.I can’t remember the full ins and outs as it was way too geek talk for me to comprehend.
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Bear in mind NVidia is out to make profit, they won’t render a card useless, a 20gb 10000 core 3080ti is just a 3090 for $500 cheaper, more like a 16gb 9600 core ...
 
Buying a 900+ 3080 right now is probably going to be bad value against a 3080ti FE (if you can get one that is). But any 3080 on the right side of £800 is still a really good value proposition imo. As for performance, I'm currently running a 3070FE right now and I'm very impressed by it, so the 3080 definitely going to be enough for me. If the ti comes before my trio then I'll probably try and buy an FE, but otherwise I'll be sticking to my 3080 without regret.[/QUOTE]

Good info and makes sense, thank you. I agree that the price difference between the TI and standard 3080s will probably not be worth it, but like you may look at the TI depending on the pricing. However, I still stand by my opinion that a new card is the last thing we need right now, especially with such little benefit and day one orders (I stand corrected by a day one customer) outstanding and the fact that the chipsets could be used to clear backorders.
 
Adamof81 said:
nope not saying that at all but in layman’s terms if I put a 3080 onto RDR2 for instance and crank everything at ultra 4K it simply won’t let you as you get the error saying you’ve hit the VRAM limit at about 9.5Gb as it won’t let you use more than 90%. This doesn’t happen with the 2080ti. Same with cyberpunk and especially with doom eternal on nightmare settings. Plenty of threads out there about this subject. Normally it means dropping one or two settings from ultra to high to get under vram limit but that doesn’t bode well for the next few years of game development at 4K at all hence my quandary.
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Damn, this sucks where you expect a flagship card to work. When Navi was revealed with 16GB the question was raised if NVidia have done the right thing with only 10GB, but the answers were a bit dismissive; but it turns out to be true in some cases. Hopefully this will be fixed with game updates or NVidia are exposed again for not knowing their market place, if gamers are their market place any more. Looks like AMD have it right for the first time in years!
 
Mongole0 said:
Damn, this sucks where you expect a flagship card to work. When Navi was revealed with 16GB the question was raised if NVidia have done the right thing with only 10GB, but the answers were a bit dismissive; but it turns out to be true in some cases. Hopefully this will be fixed with game updates or NVidia are exposed again for not knowing their market place, if gamers are their market place any more. Looks like AMD have it right for the first time in years!
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Having thought about this though, I have not seen this appear on any 3080 card reviews. Maybe we can expect a news update from the Youtube media community on this.
 
It's actually mental that I was here on 2pm launch day smashing that buy now button. Still not even close to having it shipped and the real possibility that the 3080Ti will come out before they have fulfilled orders placed at launch over 3 months ago. Nvidia product managers need to go take a walk on a busy motorway...
 
Potentail said:
Hopefully you’ll be getting it in the next week or two then
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Hopefully but not holding my breath. Got myself excited last time when I was within the upcoming shipment amount. Now I expect nothing to avoid disappointment haha:D

FosterCB said:
It's actually mental that I was here on 2pm launch day smashing that buy now button. Still not even close to having it shipped and the real possibility that the 3080Ti will come out before they have fulfilled orders placed at launch over 3 months ago. Nvidia product managers need to go take a walk on a busy motorway...
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Sums up how I feel about them launching new cards soon pretty perfectly:p Would love to know how many 3080 Founders Edition cards they've actually sold since launch...:rolleyes:
 
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