EV general discussion

I see all of the Polestar adverts in my Facebook feed and there are hundreds of comments from people who find out it’s made in China and instantly put it down because of that. Some people even post stuff like ‘Don’t this buy this Chinese tat, get a Tesla or MG instead’, without realising those also made in China :p Infact there appears to be a large knowledge gap of the amount of day-to-day products which come from China.

Other posts are like - ‘I would never buy anything made/or from China’ - later turns out they have iPhones, iPads, China made TV’s etc.. :p

Even BMW are building the new iX3 in China
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
8000 miles you need to be looking at a cheap overnight tariff. Full car every morning with the lowest energy cost. Ensuring you have reliable charge timing is key and a good charger will do that regardless of the games the car systems will be doing.
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We did the maths on that with our supplier, and due to the increased peak time rate 8,000 miles was way off the threshold for it to make sense.

Gaijon, we like our Andersen a lot. It looks great on our house, the cable tidies away really well, the app works well (I believe it does scheduled charging, but we dont use that). It's also modular, so it can be upgraded in the future. We plumped for the longer cable (only £80, it's a lot more than that on some other boxes). It was also installed with no external cables going to the box, which makes it neater as well. :)
 
Joe T said:
We did the maths on that with our supplier, and due to the increased peak time rate 8,000 miles was way off the threshold for it to make sense.

Gaijon, we like our Andersen a lot. It looks great on our house, the cable tidies away really well, the app works well (I believe it does scheduled charging, but we dont use that). It's also modular, so it can be upgraded in the future. We plumped for the longer cable (only £80, it's a lot more than that on some other boxes). It was also installed with no external cables going to the box, which makes it neater as well.
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I did similar maths... The kWh rate I was on before on OVO was within 1 penny and then you mention making financial sense but buy an Andersen?

EDIT suppose 8000 on something quite efficient doesn’t jump household useage massively so spreadsheets can show that. I seem to be around 4500kWh annual home usage.
 
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Jonnycoupe said:
I did similar maths... The kWh rate I was on before on OVO was within 1 penny and then you mention making financial sense but buy an Andersen?
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Easy tiger. :)

Clearly your supplier works differently. With mine, if you have an EV you get a better rate for all your electricity, so we did that. Then we looked at their cheap overnight tariff. Even if we only charged the car overnight, the higher peak time cost meant that the bill would be higher overall. That doesnt make financial sense, as it's more cost for the same supply. (If we compared the non-EV tariff with the overnight tariff, then it would have made sense. But the EV-tariff was the happy medium).

Buying an Andersen isnt in the same ballpark, as there are advantages to it. :)
 
SDK^ said:
Other posts are like - ‘I would never buy anything made/or from China’ - later turns out they have iPhones, iPads, China made TV’s etc.. :p
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post-brexit uk/china trade deal is still to be decided, we don't have a lot to bargain with, but can see consumer becoming more woke on their human rights(hk etc)+environmental abuse, UK employment need, accompanied by usa consumer/Biden too. ... with the HK arrests cynically after eu deal. ... xiaomi is apocryphal ?

How do we categorise the nationality/origin of VW's ID3 parts.
 
Joe T said:
We did the maths on that with our supplier, and due to the increased peak time rate 8,000 miles was way off the threshold for it to make sense.

Gaijon, we like our Andersen a lot. It looks great on our house, the cable tidies away really well, the app works well (I believe it does scheduled charging, but we dont use that). It's also modular, so it can be upgraded in the future. We plumped for the longer cable (only £80, it's a lot more than that on some other boxes). It was also installed with no external cables going to the box, which makes it neater as well. :)
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Thanks for the reply. I have been looking at the longer cable as well. When we get two evs it will help reach to the second car. The only concern I have with the Anderson is if we went of the wood finish. Is it protected in a way that it would never degrade/start rotting at some point in the future. I am leaning towards the metal finish for that reason.
 
gailjon said:
Thanks for the reply. I have been looking at the longer cable as well. When we get two evs it will help reach to the second car. The only concern I have with the Anderson is if we went of the wood finish. Is it protected in a way that it would never degrade/start rotting at some point in the future. I am leaning towards the metal finish for that reason.
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We went with the longer cable for the same reason - it should easily reach both daily-use driveway spaces (regardless of how the vehicles are parked), and will likely reach the 'visitor' space as well. We also have the wood finish, but hard to say how long it might last. It seems pretty durable. Again, it's probably something that could be replaced in the future if you fancy a different finish. :)
 
Joe T said:
The fun thing with making running changes (as Tesla do) versus MY changes (as others do) is that when shopping for a used example it can be hard to know what features a particular vehicle has. I'm not even sure that Tesla will know all the specific even.
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Tesla know almost everything that has been done to the car. Certainly all software changes and any authorised after sales purchases are logged. Even TeslaFi knows which cars have had what software updates. The car phones home if it detects any change in its software code base. Even the fact that you’ve interrogated the car with Tezlab, TeslaFi, Powertools etc. is known to Tesla. Any abnormal system condition is reported back by the car, so if you fit the remote Frunk lifter you need to unplug a module at the front of the car. The first time I drove my car after I fitted that device I had a message from Tesla noting that an error code had been raised and strongly suggesting that I might want to contact Tesla service to get it looked at. My car should have heated rear seats but it came from the factory without it enabled (all Tesla M3 have heated rear seats, they just charge you to enable them) and I phoned Tesla Manchester and they called someone in the US and the next time I drove the car the rear seat heating function was there. And they can switch stuff off as well. There is a Canadian company called Unplugged Performance that offers upgrades for Tesla. They initially offered things like rear seat heating and HiFi upgrades but Tesla just turned them off again. So for the performance upgrade they need to have an interceptor module and even then Tesla knows you’ve done it and sends you a message telling you. A lot of people miss the software licence aspect of Tesla. The car hardware is yours but the software is only licenced to you by Tesla.
 
As above - when I was having charging issues at the start of my M3 time - They remote pulled all the logs/charging data from the car without me leaving my driveway. They then looked at the data, agreed there was an hardware issue and booked me in for a service appointment. It was all very simple and straight forward and dealt with fairly well overall.
 
jpaul said:
touch screen also lays itself open to single point failure versus multiple switches --- this has got be a bit scary on the motorway at 70 - don't panic.
https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/tesla-investigation-mcu-touchscreen-emmc-failure/

Read the nhtsa recommendations on touch screen interfaces - how many do the manufacturers adopt
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.dot.gov/files/documents/812360_humanfactorsdesignguidance.pdf
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Nasher said:
It creates another single point of failure and adds extra clicks to do things. In the IT world that is considered counter productive.

As for those Tesla units, expect most of them to fail eventually. Once these things start to go, they often all go.
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Update on this story:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-55662657

Looks like the NHTSA investigation referenced above has concluded in them recommending Tesla recall 158,000 vehicles.

It'll be interesting to see how Tesla respond.
 
Yes, catching up, that's interesting

The cars in question - Model S sedans built between 2012 and 2018 as well as Model X SUVs from 2016 to 2018 - are fitted with a Nvidia Tegra 3 processor with an integrated flash memory device.
Part of the storage is used every time the vehicle is started.
And when capacity is reached, the MCU will fail.
All MCUs fitted with this chip will eventually stop working, with most having a lifespan of 10 years.
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capacity is reached LOL ... presumably they mean read write cycles exceeded , so it becomes unreliable ... I'll have to query reddit
edit: should have re-read earlier discussion it was all there - does the human brain have similar issue.



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comparemarket depreciation study ....

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Wow that BMW 330e, 53.2% loss after 3 years! Be interesting to see where the Tesla Model 3 lies in comparison in another year or so, as I know a few folk who've moved from 3-series and C-Class etc. to Model 3's

Edit: Lowest price I can see so far is £35.8k for a 69 plated car sold in Oct' 2019 with 16k miles on it. So after 15 months it's gone down ~£3.7k.
 
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Journey said:
Wow that BMW 330e, 53.2% loss after 3 years! Be interesting to see where the Tesla Model 3 lies in comparison in another year or so, as I know a few folk who've moved from 3-series and C-Class etc. to Model 3's
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Most of the bottom of that list are Hybrids, designed to save tax for employees with a company car. The original new price was irrelevant tor them. They also do a very short range on electric power, so are less appealing.
 
It's interest list for sure, i had noticed that the first gen 2016/2017 Ioniq's have been dropping in price quite nicely over the last 12 months, lots to be had at 15.5-16k now and a couple dipping under 15k where the cheapest on the market was 20k this time last year.

Tempted to pick one up once they reach 10k as it'd be an ideal 2nd car.
 
Journey said:
Wow that BMW 330e, 53.2% loss after 3 years! Be interesting to see where the Tesla Model 3 lies in comparison in another year or so, as I know a few folk who've moved from 3-series and C-Class etc. to Model 3's

Edit: Lowest price I can see so far is £35.8k for a 69 plated car sold in Oct' 2019 with 16k miles on it. So after 15 months it's gone down ~£3.7k.
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They hold their value well all things considered. I think depreciation will be much worse when they release a new model. A large number will want to upgrade = a flood onto the used market. Fingers crossed Tesla stock continue to rise to pay for future purchases. I may look toward an EV by then.
Who'd pay only £3.7 less than new for a 15 month old car? Seems crazy. Might as well splash out for new
 
So got notice that my e-Niro has arrived in the UK and will be ready for collection next Friday (22nd). Honestly can't wait for it to be delivered especially having the PodPoint sitting outside glaring at me and the C'eed GT which is going to be returned :D

Thankfully handovers are still happening, even with COVID restrictions, and paperwork all being done electronically now
 
Praetorian said:
So got notice that my e-Niro has arrived in the UK and will be ready for collection next Friday (22nd). Honestly can't wait for it to be delivered especially having the PodPoint sitting outside glaring at me and the C'eed GT which is going to be returned :D

Thankfully handovers are still happening, even with COVID restrictions, and paperwork all being done electronically now
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Great news! Don't be upset by the range - it's this cold weather it's ruining the range :(
 
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