ASUS confirms ROG STRIX GeForce RTX 3080 Ti graphics card with 20GB memory

[Mesai]

Is there anywhere that actually states enabling BAR/SAM will worsen performance with evidence to back it up?

As given how the tech. works, in theory it should actually benefit ALL gpus. From my understanding, it simply is eliminating a bottleneck where we had to rely on like a temporary swap system, where only up 256MB chunks could be swapped out each time, where as now, it is direct access to VRAM so almost like removing the middle man and allowing a bi-directional direct transfer rather than a limited uni-directional transfer system.

Plus, don't forget consoles have 16GB VRAM/RAM overall, nothing else and suspect this is where BAR/SAM is helping them so it should help PCs game ports too.

EDIT:

Having a quick read on reddit, so if CPU can only access the VRAM with this bar/sam feature enabled i.e. is limited to purely whatever VRAM said card has, then it could potentially have an impact.

Hard to say though.....

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https://hardwaresfera.com/en/articulos/resizable-bar/

Yup I don't see how having a low amount of VRAM is going to be a disadvantage, maybe with 8gb and less at likes of 4k/4k texture packs etc.???

EDIT:

someone's take from reddit:



So all in all, those cards with more vram might see more benefit but ultimately, other cards with less vram will also see benefit, just not as much.

There are so many factors but utlimately Resizable BAR enables future optimisations, as will MS Direct Storage. As the tech becomes more mainstream (people upgrade to newer hardware), developers can optimise the game files to better support this technology e.g. multiple smaller game files with higher compression as your system will be able to a) decompress faster and b) swap files on demand given the higher throughput.

Obviously depends on the resolution that you play at and the size of the game files, but PC gamers have the benefit of developers needing to cater for consoles. I fully support slimmed down tech as a result of software and architecture improvements - this will ultimately lower the cost and production effort, which benefits everyone involved.

 

[Grim5]

More rumoured info on the 3080Ti that supports that it is simply being delayed for a couple of or a few months... https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce...060-rtx-3050-graphics-cards-submitted-to-eec/

Also, unless I am misreading things (please correct me if I am) it seems to more or less be a 3090 on a 3080 PCB...

Not buying it

ateve has great sources and they said no new cards from Nvidia for the next 6 months

 

[gpuerrilla]

I still think that the 3080 10GB is a great performaning card, my only grips is the risk of VRAM limitations during this generation. Otherwise, I think it's awesome especially at the MSRP.


Hah. I think it's certainly safe to say that at the very least, 3090 users are never going to run out of VRAM.

Yes, and its not a gloat merely countering the status quo of slabbering (plenty of posts/threads of people knocking the 3090 yet they in the same breath want a 3080Ti as it has more VRAM...) when we have no proof yet if SAM/BAR will make much improvement but you can bet if there's free performance to be had and then the 3080 is hamstrung out of the gates through the poor VRAM amount - only saying like.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Not buying it

ateve has great sources and they said no new cards from Nvidia for the next 6 months

That is why I updated Dave's thread on it it was a strange winder to begin with as he had a 3080 already, however that tactic has been well and truly scuppered. You can get a 3060 with more VRAM though

 

[opethdisciple]

I think realistically it will be 2022 before any/enough games use Resizable Bar and or Direct Storage.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I think realistically it will be 2022 before any/enough games use Resizable Bar and or Direct Storage.

Thats OK, if its better performance those with the cards will be all set?

 

[Richdog]

Yes, and its not a gloat merely countering the status quo of slabbering (plenty of posts/threads of people knocking the 3090 yet they in the same breath want a 3080Ti as it has more VRAM...) when we have no proof yet if SAM/BAR will make much improvement but you can bet if there's free performance to be had and then the 3080 is hamstrung out of the gates through the poor VRAM amount - only saying like.

The benefits of a 3080Ti over a 3090 if the rumoures specs and prices are true would theoretically be the same or similar performance, for 30% or so less money, in a physically smaller package. I don't see what other points are worth considering when talking about why a 3080Ti would make better value than a 3090.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Is there anywhere that actually states enabling BAR/SAM will worsen performance with evidence to back it up?

I think certain games see a regression on AMD RX6000 cards using SAM. That may be more to do with those games/engines not playing well with SAM.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The benefits of a 3080Ti over a 3090 if the rumoures specs and prices are true would theoretically be the same or similar performance, for 30% or so less money, in a physically smaller package. I don't see what other points are worth considering when talking about why a 3080Ti would make better value than a 3090.

A given if you read the description on the spec sheet. The issue was people playing the game by saying they will save that 30% by waiting, well now your gonna get it when? It was even more nonsensical when specific members were saying 10Gb VRAM is not enough, yet they didnt want to pay the inflated price of a 3090. Well if you can wait another 6 months then great, but it highlights if you were in that boat you should have just got a 3090 to begin with and not mess about - you would likely have the card for weeks and be done with any prancing on forums.

Also that % is best case example. When you use real figures of what people actually paid for their 3080 you can see they are going for more than MSRP as a guide.

 

[Mesai]

The benefits of a 3080Ti over a 3090 if the rumoures specs and prices are true would theoretically be the same or similar performance, for 30% or so less money, in a physically smaller package. I don't see what other points are worth considering when talking about why a 3080Ti would make better value than a 3090.

Probably also need to consider the price increases. Another 10GB of GDDR6X is not cheap, so the original estimate of 1k for the TI is probably fair, however, it's probably much closer to the 3090 (current price) after said price hike hits - this is obviously looking at RRP and not the scalper prices that retailers currently list them at.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Lets agree to disagree with the opinon you are trying to present as fact and just wait and see wat happens. There's nothing more for me to discuss here and I will revisit the topic in the coming 12-24 months when we have actual evidence to support it either way.

Of course we can agree to disagree, although I would point out that I'm presenting opinion as opinion just as you are, because none of us can predict the future - the OP already tried that without much success.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Probably also need to consider the price increases. Another 10GB of GDDR6X is not cheap, so the original estimate of 1k for the TI is probably fair, however, it's probably much closer to the 3090 (current price) after said price hike hits - this is obviously looking at RRP and not the scalper prices that retailers currently list them at.

I agree. Yes you can source an FE for excellent value, but the majority of purchases coming from the AIB partners will be exactly that - nearer the 3090 so the 30% 'saving' starts to evaporate into more like 20%. Not including the fact you wont get this until later this year at best.

Of course we can agree to disagree, although I would point out that I'm presenting opinion as opinion just as you are, because none of us can predict the future - the OP already tried that without much success.

Yeah it was a strange angle, oh well, the silence is deafening from that sect now.

 

[Richdog]

Of course we can agree to disagree, although I would point out that I'm presenting opinion as opinion just as you are, because none of us can predict the future - the OP already tried that without much success.

The difference is that one of us is using a scientific and logical approach and one isn't.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Yeah it was a strange angle, oh well, the silence is deafening from that sect now.

He'll be round again at some point to remind us that a 3000 series card is wasteful at anything less than 4k

 

[gpuerrilla]

He'll be round again at some point to remind us that a 3000 series card is wasteful at anything less than 4k

The posts on here are entertaining but I guess in their world it seems perfectly normal..

 

[Dirk Diggler]

The difference is that one of us is using a scientific and logical approach and one isn't.

Yes, I get it; you're convinced that you're right. I think you might need to Google the definition of "agree to disagree"

 

[Mesai]

I agree. Yes you can source an FE for excellent value, but the majority of purchases coming from the AIB partners will be exactly that - nearer the 3090 so the 30% 'saving' starts to evaporate into more like 20%. Not including the fact you wont get this until later this year at best.

I'd also consider waiting until September/October if the TI came out around May/June as clearly if you can wait a couple more months, you could wait out the year. The 4000 series cards (rumours) are already showing a good increase over the 3000, which is possible given that the 3000 was a new direction for Nvidia.

 

[Richdog]

Yes, I get it; you're convinced that you're right. I think you might need to Google the definition of "agree to disagree"

Dirk, it doesn't much to figure out that I am not in fact the one convinced that I am right.

You: "You WILL run out of horsepower before VRAM is a problem".

Me: "10GB MAY be a potential limitation in future games based on current VRAM usage".

If you can't understand the basic difference of you speaking in absolutes despite not knowing if what you are saying is actually factual, and me speaking in terms that take plausible scenarios into account, because we don't know for sure if they will occur or not, then I guess we are on slightly different wavelengths.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I'd also consider waiting until September/October if the TI came out around May/June as clearly if you can wait a couple more months, you could wait out the year. The 4000 series cards (rumours) are already showing a good increase over the 3000, which is possible given that the 3000 was a new direction for Nvidia.

It's the classic dilemma; buy the 3090 early / wait for the Ti variant / hold out for the next gen. They're masters at manipulating their addicts

To be fair, with lockdown and GPU mining creating this insane demand, it has Nvidia holding all the aces. There's generally a few factors that dictate the timing of a Ti variant but the main reason this time is that they just don't need to. The constant stock shortages are making the decision to wait for future models all the more difficult - i.e. will they be in short supply, too.

If it's going to be the same F5/Discord battle for stock with the 3080ti or 4000 series then I'm definitely going to settle for toggling a few settings down.

 

[Brazo]

Dirk, it doesn't much to figure out that I am not in fact the one convinced that I am right.

You: "You WILL run out of horsepower before VRAM is a problem".

Me: "10GB MAY be a potential limitation in future games based on current VRAM usage".

If you can't understand the basic difference of you speaking in absolutes despite not knowing if what you are saying is actually factual, and me speaking in terms that take plausible scenarios into account, because we don't know for sure if they will occur or not, then I guess we are on slightly different wavelengths.

Thing is for me at least I’ve already run out of horsepower in numerous games (yes pushing the settings at 4K) but haven’t come close to broaching vram limit.

I suspect by the time I do hit a vram wall I’ll only be getting 24fps anyway so it’s a moot point.