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The side profile looks almost identical to a Model Y and Mach-E. Like I said, it all comes down to the price and it needs to come in cheaper than a Model Y to be compelling.

I disagree. The vast majority of people who will buy the Ariya would never put up with Tesla build issues. They’ll buy the Nissan because it’s a Nissan. It’ll be hewn from solid and it won’t break down. That’s Nissan’s major selling point.
 
I wouldn't take any style tips off me but I would describe it as 'inoffensive', sure its not a looker but no crossover is and it doesn't look ridiculous like a lot of modern BMW's. You don't buy a crossover because it's a nice looking sports car at the end of the day, you buy it because you want the 'look' of an SUV/proper 4x4.

If the aerodynamics are there, and maybe the range is indicating that , then I guess I can forgive it with an engineering head on.

after watching video completely :
22KW charging is that for the USA , I wonder which market
the comments on lack of torque-vectoring were odd, that seems to be the terminology mfts now give to systems needed to avoid wheel spin, that has been attributed to kona
(ie high speed process control of wheel slip)
didn't mention if it has a heat pump (additional space up front may/could help)
maybe some other colour combinations will de-emphasise the front/wall grill.
 
We are not getting a Model Y this year

I assume you mean we as in the UK RHD market? If so then I believe you re incorrect in that assumption, as both Giga-Berlin and Texas will be up and running, along with China and Fremont all producing the Y. I predict an aim for August release to the UK market to capture the biggest sales month of September, even if it only means a few thousand vehicles in the whole quarter.

I'm still finding the quashqi with range extender strategy more intriguing.

There's a huge transition market that simply won't accept a BEV, or the 'hassle' of plugging something into charge it, I'd guess that Nissan can see this and are hoping to take full advantage of it, as well as make use of some of their factories capabilities before they become completely redundant in the next 5-7 years.
 
I assume you mean we as in the UK RHD market? If so then I believe you re incorrect in that assumption, as both Giga-Berlin and Texas will be up and running, along with China and Fremont all producing the Y. I predict an aim for August release to the UK market to capture the biggest sales month of September, even if it only means a few thousand vehicles in the whole quarter.

I doubt Texas will be producing cars in any volume this year, Berlin possible but right at the end of the year.

I suspect we will be late to the party on Model Y as we were with Mode 3, hence my ‘not this year’ prediction, certainly not in any volume.
 

and e-2008 too ... but will they put a bigger batter ... did Johnny even mention peugot?

There's a huge transition market that simply won't accept a BEV, or the 'hassle' of plugging something into charge it, I'd guess that Nissan can see this and are hoping to take full advantage of it, as well as make use of some of their factories capabilities before they become completely redundant in the next 5-7 years.
Pricing quashqia vs ariyal be interesting to see, I think the full BEV's could even be subsidysing the phev's.
the toyota link I posted a while back suggested that with battery price drop bev's should be cheaper to manufacture, not even considering reduced maintenance,
but, if their range extender pushes fuel economy, even if you never plug in, into the 80mpg+ say, because you are using the ice efficiently,
and if you do plug it in, to just a 3kw mains overnight it can be re-charged too ?
 
I don’t think the e-2008 is really in the same segment, too small and much smaller battery.

You are spot on with the pricing comparison to the quashqai though, that will be interesting.
 
I doubt Texas will be producing cars in any volume this year, Berlin possible but right at the end of the year.

Texas first phase is due to complete in May, and Berlin in June. They already have large scale machinery and presses etc. being delivered, and we are in January still. I'd say that there will be massive volumes coming out ouf both of them by the middle to end of Q3.
 
and e-2008 too ... but will they put a bigger batter ... did Johnny even mention peugot?

e2008 is a quite a bit smaller and the range isn't great. There will be an equivalent Peugeot to the Citroen e-C4 which will be bigger and have a bigger battery with better range. The Ioniq 5 has 58kWh and 73kWh battery options according to the Austrian Hyundai website that took the First Edition orders for a range of 232 (small battery) - 292 miles (big battery) +/- 20% depending on which leaked information you believe. And there will be a Kia version too, possibly to follow with Apple's user interface on the E-GMP platform.

The only thing that is certain is that with each new model of electric car there will be evolutions and they're just getting better and better. So lots of scope to be positive about the future of motoring.
 
e2008 is a quite a bit smaller
400 versus 470 boot space, and a foot shorter - so, a bit , and .... interior seat width/kneespace/headroom who knows.

there will be evolutions and they're just getting better and better.
from the perspective that battery price & charging rate are going the right way
... drive train efficiency (ie aerodynamics aside) less so, and maybe less variability between manufacturers , what is the equivalent of turbos/lean-burn/atkinson ....

I don't know whether 2 motor cars will cut one motor completely if you don't need the power ?
 
I don’t think the wide ranging efficiency differential is down to aero dynamics, some of it certainly is but there are gains that some manufacturers need to make across the entire package.

You just have to look at what Tesla is able to get out of a big cars like the Model Y and X. Tesla isn’t the best at everything, but their total package seems to be leaps ahead of the rest of the pack at the moment. That said the gap is closing.

I think most cars with two motors shift the power around to be more efficient. Motors are normally geared differently to be more efficient at different speeds/acceleration rates.
 
If you have different technology motors that also helps. Ie. permanent magnet and Induction motors, you can shuffle power demands around to optimise efficiency.
 
The revised Tesla Model S and X interior looks clean. Not sure about the Knight Rider style steering wheel though. No stalks either.

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can’t imagine what that’s like for low speed manoeuvring.
if the car is driving itself I guess you don't care ... but the steering wheel looks like an airplanes control wheel
and you watch netflix whilst it's driving you ...?
the pull out laptop table johnny discussed in the nissan is of more use than netflix, whilst whiling away a few charging minutes.

edit : still seems to have wing mirrors though, not the polestar cameras & interior screens
 
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