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Forgive my noobishness but why is it bad for certain hedge funds for these shares to increase in price so much?

I understand the concept of hedge funds and the logic behind this situation of inflating the share price to some extent but I don't know how it hurts 'the man'.
 
Forgive my noobishness but why is it bad for certain hedge funds for these shares to increase in price so much?

I understand the concept of hedge funds and the logic behind this situation of inflating the share price to some extent but I don't know how it hurts 'the man'.
They put a contract out to buy back the shares at a future price. Their gamble was the price would go down. They will want to ride this out for as long as possible on the basis it'll go back down again to minimise losses. There is an options "chain" now which means the last man standing is in real trouble.

Right now, Melvin stand to lose something like $14bn.
 
Forgive my noobishness but why is it bad for certain hedge funds for these shares to increase in price so much?

I understand the concept of hedge funds and the logic behind this situation of inflating the share price to some extent but I don't know how it hurts 'the man'.
watch "the big short" with christian bale

kinda like that movie but imagine the housing market is GME and WSB are pumping it
 
Forgive my noobishness but why is it bad for certain hedge funds for these shares to increase in price so much?

I understand the concept of hedge funds and the logic behind this situation of inflating the share price to some extent but I don't know how it hurts 'the man'.

As I understand it, in layman's terms, because these funds effectively placed large bets on the value of these shares going down, so every day that the value holds above the point where they made that bet, they have to cover off some big chunks of money.
 
Forgive my noobishness but why is it bad for certain hedge funds for these shares to increase in price so much?

I understand the concept of hedge funds and the logic behind this situation of inflating the share price to some extent but I don't know how it hurts 'the man'.

Hedge funds have "shorted" the share, which means at some point, they NEED to buy them back (that's how shorts work)

So to buy them back, they need to jump into the market and try and buy, but if the price continues to rise, it costs them more and more.
 
They put a contract out to buy back the shares at a future price. Their gamble was the price would go down. They will want to ride this out for as long as possible on the basis it'll go back down again to minimise losses. There is an options "chain" now which means the last man standing is in real trouble.

Right now, Melvin stand to lose something like $14bn.
Plot twist is, a lot of these millenial trading apps such as T212 have loaned the shares they sell to you and I to the big boys. If Melvin goes bust, it is highly likely T212 will be hurt. Hence why they are stopping buying more shares (is the CT).
 
Gold I bought this morning now worth more than my AMC from yesterday...people are worried.

Just put the highest stop loss on AMC for opening I rekon....get out and reasses.
 
Forgive my noobishness but why is it bad for certain hedge funds for these shares to increase in price so much?

I understand the concept of hedge funds and the logic behind this situation of inflating the share price to some extent but I don't know how it hurts 'the man'.

Watch this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EUbJcGoYQ4
They put a contract out to buy back the shares at a future price. Their gamble was the price would go down. They will want to ride this out for as long as possible on the basis it'll go back down again to minimise losses. There is an options "chain" now which means the last man standing is in real trouble.

Right now, Melvin stand to lose something like $14bn.

But Melvin are out, haven't they realised their losses already?

I'm making the assumption they are out, because they said they were.
 
Forgive my noobishness but why is it bad for certain hedge funds for these shares to increase in price so much?

I understand the concept of hedge funds and the logic behind this situation of inflating the share price to some extent but I don't know how it hurts 'the man'.

They have technically borrowed and then sold the shares at say $5 from others, when the time is up they need to return those shares

If the share price had gone down to $3 they would have made $2 profit from each share returned as they would have bought for $3

If the price goes up they're losing money by however much it increase since whatever the price was when they borrowed

There's the added the issue that they have been able to somehow (because the market is ******* retarded) borrow well over 100% of all available shares (this is the part I seem unable to understand with shorts)
 
But it also isn't worth less than $4 in the eyes of DFV, Dr Michael Burry and others. Hence where we are now

No, if there is a legit turnaround play then it'll be worth more. But it was bouncing around the 20 mark for a long time, that was probably fair value.

Burry has already come out and said this needs to stop, its gone too far
 
I'm making the assumption they are out, because they said they were.
I read this too. Apparently sold at a loss and had to have money injected by another couple of funds to keep them going. Wouldn't surprise me if it was a bluff thought and they're buying back up to leave bags on the reddit lot.
 
But Melvin are out, haven't they realised their losses already?

I'm making the assumption they are out, because they said they were.
It doesn't seem to be confirmed.
CNBC who seem anti retail investor anounced it, other news sites posted it as "reportedly" which likely means there articles are based on CNBC announcement and nothing else

it could be a bluff and given the share price is still so high probably is???
 
Anyone got any idea whats going on with IAG,TUI and RR? After the last few days drops and with air travel still way down I expected them to drop a little more over the coming weeks before buying in.

All 3 are on the way back up again seemingly for no reason.
 
It doesn't seem to be confirmed.
CNBC who seem anti retail investor anounced it, other news sites posted it as "reportedly" which likely means there articles are based on CNBC announcement and nothing else

it could be a bluff and given the share price is still so high probably is???

When CNBC reported it the presenter had literally just got off the phone with the dude who runs Melvin Capital. Redditors don't believe it because if Melvin had covered their shorts the price would have mooned. There is no confirmation and they could well be bluffing.
 
Its easier to trade UK stocks, I have looked from time to time at possible imbalance but not with the diamond clear vision of DFV of course :p Shorting on Barc which then went 50p to 390p is kinda related. Judging momentum like this froth is pretty hard to do but options delivery or expiry is Friday right and Im not familiar enough to say how that works out for GME. Longs have to unwind just like shorts to a long term balance
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https://www.shortdata.co.uk/
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/teslas-too-high-buy-now-213933652.html

Anyone got any idea whats going on with IAG,TUI and RR? After the last few days drops and with air travel still way down I expected them to drop a little more over the coming weeks before buying in.

All 3 are on the way back up again seemingly for no reason.
Not sure but I wrote in 90p buy for RR before it moved down. Are the stocks moving with reason or speculation
 
Forgive my noobishness but why is it bad for certain hedge funds for these shares to increase in price so much?

I understand the concept of hedge funds and the logic behind this situation of inflating the share price to some extent but I don't know how it hurts 'the man'.

Gamestop was at $25-40, they opened massive short positions to the tune of 148% the float as they thought it was the next blockbuster. This was not a normal short position and instead of betting that the share price would go down it had the effect of forcing the share price down to <$4. To put that in perspective, since then gamestop has done massive stock buybacks so at $4 the value of the company was only $250m. This is a company who's retail business is worth atleast $3m especially with the new console cycle and their online sales is worth ~$1b and growing at 300% a year.

People saw it was undervalued and bought stock in 2019/early 2020 and the price went back upto $20. Ryan Cohen came in and bought up 13% of the company and is trying to turn it around which forced the price up to $40 a share.

At this point many of the shorts (hedge funds) were underwater but instead of sell which would be a short squeeze and drive prices up (but they could get out) doubled down on their shorts. As everyone in the world can see this people are buying GME because the shorts have to close their positions at some point and they're paying upto 83% interest now on their short positions. Eventually if the stock price keeps going up they will get margin called by their brokers and be forced to close their positions.

Furthermore many of the shorts sold their positions at a massive loss around the $150 mark and lost billions. The people who bought those positions at $150 and now are over 200% underwater as well and this will continue provided the longs keep up pressure until eventually the shorts are forced to sell. This is all creating a gamma squeeze whereby there's so many call options lthat matured last friday and this friday where the Market makers have to have share's to give these people it's forcing the price up more. So atm we're still in a gamma squeeze and the short squeeze hasn't really happened yet.

What happens next? Depends, if the longs continue to hold their shares and not sell eventually the shorts will have to sell and we'll see a short squeeze, this has gone on so long with more shorts getting in it could massively eclipse the squeeze of VW in 2008. On the other hand if all the longs decide to take profits, or the share price drops a bit and people panic then the price will tank back to $40-80 and the shorts that bought in at $150 will make bank.

This is all theory and not investment advice etc etc
 
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