Children and teens cannot understand the consequences of transitioning

[adam cool dude]

Spending the money on why it happens in the first place would be more helpful. These people need helping mentally more than anything else.

 

[413x]

I think there should be an and limit . I think it should be 16 to start transitioning. But maybe not surgery until a bit into the transition.

There will always be people who make mistakes. That's no reason to blanket say the current rules are wrong

 

[Lysander]

Standard, “I’m not one of them and I don’t like it so I’ll find evidence that supports my statement” thread.

You're right, I don't like it - specifically I don't like that fact that people are being encouraged into doing irreversible unnecessary damage to themselves and then being congratulated for it on social media. Social media is extremely dangerous when it comes to this kind of thing: we really do not fully understand the reasons why individuals do this to themselves, but most people are too scared to say that. They'd much rather be seen to support something which they think they should support but which they don't understand.

For that percentage of people who can truly live a happy life having transitioned, I congratulate them and good luck to them. This thread is about the percentage of people whose lives are destroyed by making such a decision rashly and without proper support, as has been detailed in the OP. And by "proper support" I mean constructive, long-term psychological evaluations.

I fully believe that in years to come we will look back at the 2010s and see it as one of the worst decades in modern human history, to a large extent brought about by social media, and how, as a species, we were just not prepared for what it would do to us - specifically what we would do to ourselves.

Spending the money on why it happens in the first place would be more helpful. These people need helping mentally more than anything else.

Completely agreed.

I think there should be an and limit . I think it should be 16 to start transitioning. But maybe not surgery until a bit into the transition.

There will always be people who make mistakes. That's no reason to blanket say the current rules are wrong

16 is way too young. People at 16 may think they're mature but it's one of the most vulnerable ages: at that age people are highly energetic, becoming more independent, more rebellious, more sexually aware. It's probably the worst time anyone can make such a decision.

 

[CircleFaust]

should be 18 minimum and more likely 21. it's a weighty choice to make
especially with all the **** you can access online today, teens minds can be easily brainwashed into a brash decision.

 

[Skunkworks]

Unfortunately there seems to be no reasoning with the woke ideology, so despite knowing exactly how it’s going to end we all have to sit and watch until it’s chewed up and spat out enough people for sanity to resume.

A good place to start would be clearing the ideologues out of the institutions.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

should be 18 minimum and more likely 21. it's a weighty choice to make
especially with all the **** you can access online today, teens minds can be easily brainwashed into a brash decision.

I'd say 25.

It's a life changing event and allowing young to do it is stupid. Personally I wouldn't allow it at all. If they want to dress up as the opposite sex fair enough but permanent changes should be minimum 25. If they change their mind after that then it's on them they can't blame being young, etc. I also don't think the NHS should be funding this ludicrous phase.


It's a huge phase at the moment since being gay is no longer as fashionable as it was a decade ago.

Remember that white woman who wanted to identify as being black and she was ridiculed for cultural appropriation? Well this is the same thing but we are allowing it to happen.

 

[goreblast]

Shocked and disgusted at the views of some folk on here.

gay is no longer as fashionable

cultural appropriation? Well this is the same thing

If they want to dress up as the opposite sex fair enough

no reasoning with the woke ideology

nobody should be allowed to change their gender

The Guardian has a reasonably balanced article https://www.theguardian.com/society...g-trans-rights-or-a-victory-for-common-sense-

I for one think it is a ridiculous ruling.

One person with 'buyers regret' has taken a case which will impact some very vulnerable teenagers. It is not something which happens overnight, prescribed by your family GP. It is specialised clinics and takes months and months to get the stage where puberty blockers are considered.

Let me ask. When did you know your sexual orientation?
As in who you are sexually attracted to. I will tell you, around 10/11/12. The move to big school. The start of puberty.

Can you fathom for one moment what it must be like for someone who is in the wrong body so to speak. A male in a female body, or visa versa. Then puberty hits.
You people have no idea. Unless you are Specialists in this area, are trans, or have a very close family member / friend who is trans.

Let the doctors do their job.

 

[arknor]

I didn't realise that this was a thing (at this age I mean)

Its madness to allow anyone below a "sensible" age to make what could be asuch a life changing decision

one of my relatives wanted to then their relationship with someone ended and they suddenly changed their mind

teenagers don't know what they want, it's like can you imagine if the emo phase was made permanent..

teens go through phases it doesnt mean they want to live their whole life that way, it's a time people should be finding out who they are and what they want from life.
it's too early for them to make big decisions

As in who you are sexually attracted to. I will tell you, around 10/11/12. The move to big school. The start of puberty.

weird that a lot of people experiment at uni then no? surely they already know at 10/11/12 which gender they are attracted to......
sure some people might know at an early age but a lot won't

just because your a GUY and your attracted to GUYS doesn't mean you need to become a woman anyway.

I think I'm trapped in the wrong body, henry cavill has mine

 

[hurfdurf]

Shocked and disgusted at the views of some folk on here.







The Guardian has a reasonably balanced article https://www.theguardian.com/society...g-trans-rights-or-a-victory-for-common-sense-

I for one think it is a ridiculous ruling.

One person with 'buyers regret' has taken a case which will impact some very vulnerable teenagers. It is not something which happens overnight, prescribed by your family GP. It is specialised clinics and takes months and months to get the stage where puberty blockers are considered.

Let me ask. When did you know your sexual orientation?
As in who you are sexually attracted to. I will tell you, around 10/11/12. The move to big school. The start of puberty.

Can you fathom for one moment what it must be like for someone who is in the wrong body so to speak. A male in a female body, or visa versa. Then puberty hits.
You people have no idea. Unless you are Specialists in this area, are trans, or have a very close family member / friend who is trans.

Let the doctors do their job.

A good post. Thanks for some sanity in a thread full of Ben Shapiro wannabe logic warriors who seem to care far far too much about trans issues that don’t affect the majority of them.

 

[SPG]

Let them do what they want, everyone makes mistakes. However no tax payers money should be used for any support or operations. That includes tax payers money for research into it.

 

[azazl187]

It's completely pathetic. Parents need to just lay done the law and just say no. These kids get far too much freedom, far too much exposure to social media and fake life.

They think they are being individuals but I'm reality they want to be like the next popular celeb or "influencer".

This thread is just another example of how the world is failing our kids.

 

[Narj]

I do sympathise with the genuine cases here, especially with those born male that want to transition to female. Puberty often means it'll be more difficult to "pass" and live a relatively hassle-free life. Quality of life post-transition must be a huge worry.

It's a difficult situation really, I suppose it's best left to those doctors, scientists and researchers who are able to assess the long term implications of the drugs. Especially when the idea of transitioning is abandoned.

Must say I'm not a fan of the trendy parenting and lack of boundaries that must confuse the hell out of the kids these days. I'm sure some kids soak this stuff up and want to become a boy/girl much like they suddenly decide they want to be a firefighter and lose interest later on (hence these cases/complaints).

 

[pp111]

Everyone is different. You can't conclude all people under 16 are the same just because of a few examples. Like everything in life, it needs to be assessed by an expert. And sure, mistakes will be made both ways, that's the nature of decisions. There are no hard fast rules.

Let them do what they want, everyone makes mistakes. However no tax payers money should be used for any support or operations. That includes tax payers money for research into it.

It may well be a condition of the mind but that doesn't mean it's not a health issue. Many of these people need large amounts of phycological support. It ain't cheap. If you don't pay it they live in misery or worse kill themselves.

Also, "tax payers money". National Insurance is insurance, just like any other insurance. Why should it not pay out when people need help? That's what insurance does. It's just a pool of money that everyone pays in to and people take out when they need a doctor. You say it like the undeserving are stealing your personal money. That's a really judgemental position for someone who is not a doctor! And I suspect many of these people pay taxes just like you or I.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

Shocked and disgusted at the views of some folk on here.







The Guardian has a reasonably balanced article https://www.theguardian.com/society...g-trans-rights-or-a-victory-for-common-sense-

I for one think it is a ridiculous ruling.

One person with 'buyers regret' has taken a case which will impact some very vulnerable teenagers. It is not something which happens overnight, prescribed by your family GP. It is specialised clinics and takes months and months to get the stage where puberty blockers are considered.

Let me ask. When did you know your sexual orientation?
As in who you are sexually attracted to. I will tell you, around 10/11/12. The move to big school. The start of puberty.

Can you fathom for one moment what it must be like for someone who is in the wrong body so to speak. A male in a female body, or visa versa. Then puberty hits.
You people have no idea. Unless you are Specialists in this area, are trans, or have a very close family member / friend who is trans.

Let the doctors do their job.

thank you for injecting some sanity into this thread

 

[Arsonist]

Giving children puberty blockers should be a criminal offence, it's an attack on human nature. The main problem though is children undergoing these procedures are impressionable and (I would wager in most cases) conditioned into such behaviours by pushy parents or peer pressure at school. I don't know what today's schools are like but if you're trans on social media you're treated like a celebrity.

Giving children cancer medications should be a criminal offence, it's an attack on human nature.

Your argument doesn't get off to a great start does it.

What exactly gives everyone the right here to decide how a 16 year old should live their life, and what gender they choose to identify as? What have you done that's so worthy, to impose your own beliefs onto somebody else in telling them what to think and feel? While I appreciate it's a controversial topic, the one thing that really gets me is the sense of power many of you feel you have over other people's lives.

There are already extensive checks and balances that anyone in this country has to go through before any gender reassignment process can begin. A 16 year old is firstly in a position to know how they feel, and have a right to work towards achieving a physical manifestation of this. It's down to their guardian, doctors and a whole host of processes to determine if it's the right action. Not you, not the media, and not anybody who doesn't fully understand the situation, risks and benefits.

People will always make mistakes in their lives, and there will always be outliers in situations like these. Let's not vilify the entire practice based on the examples of a few select cases.

 

[GGizmo]

Giving children cancer medications should be a criminal offence, it's an attack on human nature.

Your argument doesn't get off to a great start does it.

So your are comparing trying to survive a person from a life threatening condition of cancer to making a choice to change a gender!?

What exactly gives everyone the right here to decide how a 16 year old should live their life, and what gender they choose to identify as? What have you done that's so worthy, to impose your own beliefs onto somebody else in telling them what to think and feel? While I appreciate it's a controversial topic, the one thing that really gets me is the sense of power many of you feel you have over other people's lives.

Because in every other area of life its accepted a 16 year old isn't mature enough to make a decision. Yet on this particular subject you think there is an exception? I'm not sure how old you are now, but are you saying that every thought and opinion you have now hasn't changed from when you were 16? If so, then you are an exception.

Trying to set this up as though its some spiteful act is the wrong path to go down. The people are concerned about the welfare of children.

There are already extensive checks and balances that anyone in this country has to go through before any gender reassignment process can begin. A 16 year old is firstly in a position to know how they feel, and have a right to work towards achieving a physical manifestation of this. It's down to their guardian, doctors and a whole host of processes to determine if it's the right action. Not you, not the media, and not anybody who doesn't fully understand the situation, risks and benefits.

There isnt extensive checks and balances. That is why its become an issue. There wasn't balanced advice on transgendering. It was instantly assumed that to transgender was the right thing. There are many documented cases were people would say they think they want to transgender and were never questioned why. Later on it turns out they just had gender identity issues, i.e. like we all do as gender stereotypes are regularly attacked in society.

People will always make mistakes in their lives, and there will always be outliers in situations like these. Let's not vilify the entire practice based on the examples of a few select cases.

I don't think anyone is vilifying the 16 year old child. I think this is a serious subject and something that shouldn't be rushed in to. The person transgendering needs to be happy to transgender and what it actually means.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

It's amazing how this wasn't even a thing 5 years ago.

Now all of a sudden you have 15 kids in the same class wanting to change their sex.

It's all the social media and attention seeking culture that's being fed to kids these days.

Everyone is now seeking attention in any form they can and this is indeed the latest phase. It will soon die out and becoming a unicorn will be the next great thing.

I don't understand how at 10/11/12 you can identify you are in the wrong body. Surely science could have told you that if it were true when you were born?

It's nothing but a farce and a product of their environment.

Bring your kids up on social media and this is what happens.

 

[hurfdurf]

The people are concerned about the welfare of children.

Ha not even close. It’s just an excuse to bash trans people. If it involved any level of care of the actual kids people would know what they were talking about and wouldn’t spout utter nonsense like.

There isnt extensive checks and balances. That is why its become an issue. There wasn't balanced advice on transgendering. It was instantly assumed that to transgender was the right thing. There are many documented cases were people would say they think they want to transgender and were never questioned why. Later on it turns out they just had gender identity issues, i.e. like we all do as gender stereotypes are regularly attacked in society.

 

[hurfdurf]

It's amazing how this wasn't even a thing 5 years ago.

Now all of a sudden you have 15 kids in the same class wanting to change their sex.

It's all the social media and attention seeking culture that's being fed to kids these days.

Everyone is now seeking attention in any form they can and this is indeed the latest phase. It will soon die out and becoming a unicorn will be the next great thing.

I don't understand how at 10/11/12 you can identify you are in the wrong body. Surely science could have told you that if it were true when you were born?

It's nothing but a farce and a product of their environment.

Bring your kids up on social media and this is what happens.

Just like how 50 years ago Gay people weren’t a real thing, and now there’s loads of Gay kids running around thinking they are Gay?! What ever next?!?!? Marrying my pet cat?! It’ll be pedophile rights in 2030 and mark my words Marjorie , it’ll be illegal to be straight!

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Just like how 50 years ago Gay people weren’t a real thing, and now there’s loads of Gay kids running around thinking they are Gay?! What ever next?!?!? Marrying my pet cat?! It’ll be pedophile rights in 2030 and mark my words Marjorie , it’ll be illegal to be straight!

Your confusing a small minority of people that this truly effects with a much larger minority just doing it now because it's widely accepted and just easier for them to follow the crowd.

Ladyboys are huge in Thailand for example. Yet not so much in South Korea. That's what happens when you make it cool to be a ladyboy everyone wants to be one. It's very much a phase that when you have so many doing it. It should only affect a small minority of people. After all nature has a way of getting things right.