I’d love to see your research showing that it’s “cool” to be trans in Thailand and not just far more acceptable, and if it was just as acceptable else where but not as “cool” there wouldn’t be similar rates. Sure seems like a lot of reading has gone into the topic by all the Ben Shapiro wannabe trans experts in here.
Children and teens cannot understand the consequences of transitioning
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I’d love to see your research showing that it’s “cool” to be trans in Thailand and not just far more acceptable, and if it was just as acceptable else where but not as “cool” there wouldn’t be similar rates. Sure seems like a lot of reading has gone into the topic by all the Ben Shapiro wannabe trans experts in here.
You mean cosmetic/plastic surgeons. The "doctors" are plastic/cosmetic surgeons who don't give a stuff about the wellbeing of the patient. They're only in it for the cash. That's part of the problem with the whole thing - it's unregulated, or, more accurately, misregulated. It's profiteering off peoples' mental illnesses. No-one is born into the wrong body, but people have mental conditions which make them believe that they are, and removing parts of your body is a symptom of that illness. It doesn't fix the problem, it compounds it. Additionally, trans movements are over-supported on social media, meaning some people will be convinced that they are trans when they are nothing but confused, and that's a very very dangerous slope to go down.
I suggest you read the testimonial in the OP again, which is the entire point of this thread:
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So you think nature got it completely wrong and everyone wants to be a ladyboy?
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They should put puberty blockers in the tap water and be done with it.
And then you apply via the Government Department of Gender Assignment.
There's some M->F trans that are getting rid of good schlongs.
I'm a male, comfortable in a male body, but some more girth would nice.
And then you apply via the Government Department of Gender Assignment.
There's some M->F trans that are getting rid of good schlongs.
I'm a male, comfortable in a male body, but some more girth would nice.
Ah yes, the good old appeal to “nature” and complete misrepresentation of what I said. Can totally see you are serious about having this conversation and understanding the issues rather than just using this thread to make yourself feel like a big man by bashing trans people.
A great article, by a re-transitioned man [i.e. transitioned back to his original biological sex], on how society is grooming children into transgenderism. Too many good quotes to post, so I'll just link it:
https://sexchangeregret.com/i-know-what-happens-to-the-kids-in-transhood-because-it-happened-to-me/
https://sexchangeregret.com/i-know-what-happens-to-the-kids-in-transhood-because-it-happened-to-me/
No, I was using it to counter your point, and to highlight how stupid your comment was.
That's why I said it was the responsibility of their guardian and doctor to make that decision. Try reading what I actually wrote. I am 32, and at 16, relied heavily on my parents, extended guardians and other responsible adults to steer me into making the right (at the time) decisions, with the information available at that time.
Some people are concerned about the welfare of children. Many others, including many on this forum, simply don't want to allow a society in which transgender people exist. Again, hence my comments, and hence this being the responsibility of parents/guardians/doctors.
Yes. There are. I know several people who have, or are, transitiong, and I have seen their struggles just to start the process. As I said, there may be a few outlying cases, which are very unfortunate. But to say there aren't checks and balances is being stupidly ignorant of the reality. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/treatment/
Again, try reading what I actually wrote. I never talked about people vilifying children. I said the process was being vilified by people who don't know what they're talking about. Ergo you.
You realise there are doctors arguing against the practise of giving PB to children? It's in the Bell v Tavistock decision.
Young people are less likely to make informed decisions; there is a reason why we have age limits on having sex, smoking tobacco etc.
You wasn't replying to me in your last post. I was commenting on your reply to @mmj_uk
If someone is having to rely on others then they don't have the understanding to make their own decision.
I agree there is an element of people who don't like trans people. I think this is also partly agitated by certain lobby groups moving the goalposts by insinutating being trans isn't enough.
How many of your friends who have transitioned or who are transitioning, started at an early age? In this context I mean at least at the stage of using medications prescribed by the doctor?
NHS child gender clinic: Staff concerns 'shut down'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51806962
You assumed I was @mmj_uk . Your reply to him by saying you think life saving cancer treatment should be a criminal offence removes you from any moral high ground.
Try reading the news. This as already come out that people, not only children, aren't challenged properly on why they want to go through transition. Read the link in my last post to a BBC article. One of many out there.
You aren't helping the genuine transgender people by promoting extreme cases.
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Watch out speaking sense these days means your transphobic
My mistake. That's more a consequence of there being multiple posts over different pages where you've quoted a quote, so the original writer doesn't appear on the link, than anything else.
Everyone relies on the experience and judgement of others to make a more informed decision...medical, economic, political etc. Why would this be any different? Or are you telling me you've never used the experience of someone else to make a decision in your life?
Agreed.
At least 2 from ages under 18. They're now in their 30s and quite happy living how the saw fit after making decisions, with consent, aged 16/17.
Again, above, a very easy mistake given how quotes in quotes don't hold the original writer's origin, so at face value it looked like it was your comment. And if you've read my comment and think I actually believe that cancer treatments should be illegal, then you entirely missed the message. I was using that example to point out how mmj_uk's comment was baseless.
I listen to others experiences. But ultimately I have to make my own judgement, which would require me to have some life experience too.
I'm not trans, though I know a couple of people who are, and one intersex person. But when we're talking about big life changing decisions it reminds me of when young people want to get married. Yes people can get married young. But then statistically speaking there are more likely to be problems than if they had waited a couple of years to be sure. I think this is the same situation with transitioning.
I personally would set it to 18+, and after proper counter arguments are put, and a full understanding of what it entails then go ahead.
Despite some of my conservative views on some subjects, I've been around all kinds of people in my life, and I don't judge anyone. If someone feels that they need to change their gender to avoid gender dysphoria then I'm all for it. I just want to be sure that the right procedures are put in place.
I think even being (cis) male and female gender isn't as obvious these days as it once were.
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Imagine letting a 13yo get their face tattood like a skull. Now imagine something far more damaging and irreparable, because that's what puberty blockers are.
There are very good reasons certain decisions are deferred until adulthood.
There are very good reasons certain decisions are deferred until adulthood.
The problem here is that you can't. Once puberty happens, especially with a male body, the physical changes can not be undone. I get your point but it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I think you have to take it on each individual case. Of course it will always come down to the decision of the experts in this field, and 99% of the time they will get it right, but like anything in this world, there is a chance things will not work out... no matter which decision was taken.
There are many cases where the law does legislate on age with regard to psychology. For instance, in doli incapax, the law says that children are incapable of forming intent to commit a crime under the age of ten. The law should also legislate with regard to transgenderism, saying that under a certain age children/teens are incapable of being able to form a reasonable, informed decision about transitioning. The problem is that this issue has been so bound up in woke liberalism that a lot of politicians won't touch it. Additionally, we do not fully understand why people do it, but we just let them get on with it anyway. When you think about it, it's utterly crazy that we can allow people to make such monumental decisions about their lives and bodies, without knowing why it happens, or even if it's the right thing to do long-term. But like many things, it's looked on as just another purchase option, the fact that it can destroy people's lives is by-the-by.
I think the limit should be 18 AND when the patient can afford to do it themselves.
If someone was 5'1 and wished, nay, believed that inside they were really 6'1 but needed surgery, you'd rightly think they were just a bit nuts
For those in favour, what is the rationale for applying it to sex and only sex? Why not other things as well? For example, why can't I declare myself to be 67 and get an old age pension?
And yes, I am serious. The whole idea is that biology is defined by decree and not by biology. So why does that idea only apply to a person's sex?
Which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans.
And yes, I am serious. The whole idea is that biology is defined by decree and not by biology. So why does that idea only apply to a person's sex?
Which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans.