NVIDIA pretends to care about gamers.

[G J]

Even outside the mining boom nvidia and others are more then happy with the ever increasing costs of GPU's and now they play the we care card. Its nothing to do with curbing the massive demand from miners but its all about stopping the tidal wave of cheep second hand cards hitting the market when the eventual mining bust comes along.

Nice investment for AMD users if they dont follow suit, buy card and wait for next mining boom and sell your card for more then what you paid for it as the mining performance will be unhindered as the demand for AMD cards will be massive.

edit: I cant wait for the eventual demand goes down but the pricing will stay high, we care for gamers indeed.

 

[humbug]

Even outside the mining boom nvidia and others are more then happy with the ever increasing costs of GPU's and now they play the we care card. Its nothing to do with curbing the massive demand from miners but its all about stopping the tidal wave of cheep second hand cards hitting the market when the eventual mining bust comes along.

Nice investment for AMD users if they dont follow suit, buy card and wait for next mining boom and sell your card for more then what you paid for it as the mining performance will be unhindered as the demand for AMD cards will be massive.

Nvidia, just like AMD are a business, if people pay high end prices for midrange GPU's Nvidia will sell midrange GPU's at high end prices, AMD are doing the same now, the 6900XT is £1000 MSRP and they are in higher demand than they can knock them out.

Prior to Big Navi people used to say "Nvidia's prices are high because AMD aren't competing" So its not our fault, its not even Nvidia's fault, its AMD's fault, and yet in years where AMD had as good or even better cards at lower prices the bulk of the sales still went to Nvidia.

There is someone to blame for all this, its us.

 

[humbug]

The Radeon 5850 was the last AMD GPU to sell in huge numbers, because it was a £200 something £ GPU with performance equivalent to much higher than that price, AMD's reasoning was: Fast GPU cheap = huge sales. That was then.

Something happened between then and now, a kind of brand snobbery, where people would only buy one or the other at any cost, Nvidia were the first to realise and cash in, AMD are just now learning it.

 

[~>Dg<~]

what people dont get is businesess dont love you none of them do. they just want your money. i dont get why so many think they do. this week will be very interesting for a lot of reasons when the 3060 releases or prices go up. also with the mining supposedly crippled on em.

linus also does the most clickbait stuff ever lol. just look at his thumbnails.

cant wait for the 3060s to launch.

 

[SKILL]

The Radeon 5850 was the last AMD GPU to sell in huge numbers, because it was a £200 something £ GPU with performance equivalent to much higher than that price, AMD's reasoning was: Fast GPU cheap = huge sales. That was then.

Something happened between then and now, a kind of brand snobbery, where people would only buy one or the other at any cost, Nvidia were the first to realise and cash in, AMD are just now learning it.

The brand snobbery was around way way before the 5850... The reason that sold well is just that the numbers were undeniable, and as soon as nvidia had a comparable card the fanboys went back to them...

It's weird, I really don't get that kind of brand loyalty, especially for a company that shows no love for it's customers and never has done (not that any other company, least of all AMD is any better...)

 

[Armageus]

I do hope the miners dont find a way of mining with PS5's; surely they would be capable?

Got to find something to do with them - It's not like there's any exclusive games worth playing yet

 

[humbug]

The brand snobbery was around way way before the 5850... The reason that sold well is just that the numbers were undeniable, and as soon as nvidia had a comparable card the fanboys went back to them...

It's weird, I really don't get that kind of brand loyalty, especially for a company that shows no love for it's customers and never has done (not that any other company, least of all AMD is any better...)

No i don't get it either, if i find something that's better than its price i win, me.... its all about me, beyond healthy competition i don't care which huge multi-billion $ corporation is winning, i certainly don't feel like i'm obliged to help them win through some sort of loyalty, the very concept of that is ridiculous to me.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

The way I see it, all this is a move to deprive gamers of a second hand market. What they are really doing here is making darn sure that gamers HAVE to buy new, which benefits NVIDIA as opposed to used which benefits ebay.

I'd be more inclined to see this as a byproduct that could be mistaken for original intent. Just because it could have an effect on the second hand market it doesn't mean that's the reason they've done it.

The current situation is harming the PC hardware reputation and that will have a direct impact on Nvidia. Also, for every person that bought a second hand card then the likelihood is that the person who sold it just bought a new card. Why would Nvidia give a toss about the second hand market? If they release a 4080 and mining farms suddenly flood the market with 3080 do you think the new generation will gather dust on the shelves?

It seems a bit far fetched to me. It's more likely that Nvidia want to split the pot into 2 markets they can dominate - why would a miner want to spend cash on display outlets, aesthetics & RGB crap if there's a company producing products better suited to their use case? Miners are building data centres not gaming PCs.

 

[humbug]

I'd be more inclined to see this as a byproduct that could be mistaken for original intent. Just because it could have an effect on the second hand market it doesn't mean that's the reason they've done it.

The current situation is harming the PC hardware reputation and that will have a direct impact on Nvidia. Also, for every person that bought a second hand card then the likelihood is that the person who sold it just bought a new card. Why would Nvidia give a toss about the second hand market? If they release a 4080 and mining farms suddenly flood the market with 3080 do you think the new generation will gather dust on the shelves?

It seems a bit far fetched to me. It's more likely that Nvidia want to split the pot into 2 markets they can dominate - why would a miner want to spend cash on display outlets, aesthetics & RGB crap if there's a company producing products better suited to their use case? Miners are building data centres not gaming PCs.

Just because it could have an effect on the second hand market it doesn't mean that's the reason they've done it.

Of course that's why they did it.

Back in 2013 AMD and Nvidia ramped up production to keep up with the mining demand, then it crashed, the used market was flooded with Ex-miners and AMD / Nvidia were left with massive inventories of stock they couldn't sell, AMD particularity lost a lot of money, Nvidia too but to a lesser extent, the AMD cards were the most popular miners at the time.

Nvidia don't want these cards on the used market when the bubble bursts, Linus is right.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Of course that's why they did it.

Back in 2013 AMD and Nvidia ramped up production to keep up with the mining demand, then it crashed, the used market was flooded with Ex-miners and AMD / Nvidia were left with massive inventories of stock they couldn't sell, AMD particularity lost a lot of money, Nvidia too but to a lesser extent, the AMD cards were the most popular miners at the time.

Nvidia don't want these cards on the used market when the bubble bursts, Linus is right.

The 3080 has been in circulation since September last year, I think you're talking about closing the stable doors when the horse has bolted. If Nvidia want to ensure they don't get left holding stock then the last thing they want to do is create a new product line that miners won't buy when the bubble bursts and gamers won't buy full stop.

If they were concerned about excess stock then it would be a lot easier to implement a slick manufacture to retail process than it would to cook up this scheme. And considering the current market dynamic I seriously doubt that Nvidia is at any risk of excess stock sitting on their shelves.

 

[humbug]

The 3080 has been in circulation since September last year, I think you're talking about closing the stable doors when the horse has bolted. If Nvidia want to ensure they don't get left holding stock then the last thing they want to do is create a new product line that miners won't buy when the bubble bursts and gamers won't buy full stop.

If they were concerned about excess stock then it would be a lot easier to implement a slick manufacture to retail process than it would to cook up this scheme. And considering the current market dynamic I seriously doubt that Nvidia is at any risk of excess stock sitting on their shelves.

Well they will just stop making them and repurpose the dies on any inventory they have for gaming cards, and they will sell because the cards the miners have will end up in landfill, not the used market.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Well they will just stop making them and repurpose the dies on any inventory they have for gaming cards, and they will sell because the cards the miners have will end up in landfill, not the used market.

Your point regarding landfill is actually something I hadn't thought of. Mining is a criminal waste as it is, and that's coming from someone who made a few grand out of it back in 2013. If these new cards are rendered paperweights when the mining bubble bursts then that's just compounding an already awful situation.

Whilst I still think it's a corporate decision to create and corner 2 markets, I can't actually see a positive outcome from this now that I've discussed it further here.

 

[james.miller]

The Radeon 5850 was the last AMD GPU to sell in huge numbers, because it was a £200 something £ GPU with performance equivalent to much higher than that price, AMD's reasoning was: Fast GPU cheap = huge sales. That was then.

Still have mine. and my 7950

 

[humbug]

Your point regarding landfill is actually something I hadn't thought of. Mining is a criminal waste as it is, and that's coming from someone who made a few grand out of it back in 2013. If these new cards are rendered paperweights when the mining bubble bursts then that's just compounding an already awful situation.

Whilst I still think it's a corporate decision to create and corner 2 markets, I can't actually see a positive outcome from this now that I've discussed it further here.

Yeah i hate that aspect of it too, i don't buy into what to me at least is a lot of hyperbole around the climate, i do believe it is a problem and one we really should be addressing, we do have to change our attitude to E Consumption and waste.

 

[Armageus]

why would a miner want to spend cash on display outlets, aesthetics & RGB crap if there's a company producing products better suited to their use case? Miners are building data centres not gaming PCs.

It likely costs the manufacturer pennies to add display outputs, different aesthetics and RGB crap.

 

[humbug]

Still have mine. and my 7950

Was a good card that.

Selling them on when you upgrade is fine, it doesn't go to waste, someone else gets some use out of it and you get some money back, its all good.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

It likely costs the manufacturer pennies to add display outputs, different aesthetics and RGB crap.

Wasn't the fan setup on the FE models said to have cost over £100? If that was replaced with function over aesthetics then I don't think the saving would be a few pence, surely? I've owned my fair share of GPU and the current FE cooler is just about the best quality I've seen.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

what people dont get is businesess dont love you none of them do. they just want your money. i dont get why so many think they do. this week will be very interesting for a lot of reasons when the 3060 releases or prices go up. also with the mining supposedly crippled on em.

linus also does the most clickbait stuff ever lol. just look at his thumbnails.

cant wait for the 3060s to launch.

Exactly what was the launch price of a 1060 3gb? £120 and the 1060 6gb was £180 iirc.

Mining pushed the 1060 6gb effectively the 1060ti to £350 at one point.

Now the 1060 3GB equivalent is £500 a good 3-4 times the price of 5 years ago.

Personally I've decided my current gpu will do me until it dies it's an extremely cool running 2070 super. So I've got plenty of power. When it dies I'm hoping that the 1650 super replacement whatever that may be is out like a 4650 super for £175.

I won't be spending more than £200 on a gpu in future. It's just fuelling the market.

If you look at steam hardware stats. The majority of folk are gaming on sub £200 gpu. Only a tiny minority are buying the 30 series cards.

 

[~>Dg<~]

yeah the 1060s were about the price you said. 3060 rrp is supposed to start at £300.

 

[humbug]

Exactly what was the launch price of a 1060 3gb? £120 and the 1060 6gb was £180 iirc.

Mining pushed the 1060 6gb effectively the 1060ti to £350 at one point.

Now the 1060 3GB equivalent is £500 a good 3-4 times the price of 5 years ago.

Personally I've decided my current gpu will do me until it dies it's an extremely cool running 2070 super. So I've got plenty of power. When it dies I'm hoping that the 1650 super replacement whatever that may be is out like a 4650 super for £175.

I won't be spending more than £200 on a gpu in future. It's just fuelling the market.

If you look at steam hardware stats. The majority of folk are gaming on sub £200 gpu. Only a tiny minority are buying the 30 series cards.

I really like the 2070 Super, i use it for 1440P and have no fears about it becoming a problem in terms of performance any time soon.

I was all for upgrading but the fact that no one can get anything at the moment is kind of a blessing, its made me re-evaluate, just to put the breaks on and think again, i'm quite happy for the time being, actually....

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/msi-rtx-2070-super-gaming-x.b7142