Trading the stockmarket (NO Referrals)

Is the entire stock market just run by algorithms that are set to execute things at certain times?

Literally every stock I've looked at that was falling went back up at exactly 11.30 EST time. From Nvidia, to Ocugen, to Tesla, to ADMP, to Amazon.

Those are all stocks that are coming completely unconnected to each other and many of which are in completely different sectors.

I noticed this the other day. Almost everything across many different sectors just shot up at exactly the same minute.
 
Jono8 said:
Is the entire stock market just run by algorithms that are set to execute things at certain times?
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algo trading/high frequency bots are probably looking at year long moving averages and stuff.

seems like a lot of stuff is bouncing up and down its EMA

even a bunch of my spacs are trying to push green today could be a good sign, maybe a nice monday followed by more red :D
 
Jono8 said:
Is the entire stock market just run by algorithms that are set to execute things at certain times?

Literally every stock I've looked at that was falling went back up at exactly 11.30 EST time. From Nvidia, to Ocugen, to Tesla, to ADMP, to Amazon.

Those are all stocks that are coming completely unconnected to each other and many of which are in completely different sectors.

I noticed this the other day. Almost everything across many different sectors just shot up at exactly the same minute.
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Most equities are owned as part of a fund. If a few large fund managers start to get redemptions (from large intuitional investors maybe they are taking profits or spreading risk etc) they sell off a slice of the fund ie trim all positions by 5%. This trade hits the market and everything sells off. Then the algos go crazy and often add fuel to the sell off as they trade off things like covariance, momentum, arbitrage, etc that can push the market further down, same is true on the upside as well
 
mattx2 said:
Most equities are owned as part of a fund. If a few large fund managers start to get redemptions (from large intuitional investors maybe they are taking profits or spreading risk etc) they sell off a slice of the fund ie trim all positions by 5%. This trade hits the market and everything sells off. Then the algos go crazy and often add fuel to the sell off as they trade off things like covariance, momentum, arbitrage, etc that can push the market further down, same is true on the upside as well
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But why would the bounce on everything be at exactly at the same time, even though these stocks would have different charts/had have different drops etc. It was at exactly 11.30 EST across the board .
 
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I mentioned this on the last page. I think T212 has been hammered and haemorrhaging money. Hence the restrictions on Margin in the CFD account over night without much notice earlier in the year. Then the limiting of most popular CFDs to 0. Then the charge for adding to the account via DC/CC, then restrictions on certain stocks due to the additional reporting requirements they need to implement, and now this.

0.15% on a someone putting in £20k a year into their ISA is still a tiny amount, I think the complaints and bad rep they get is because of the way they go about these changes. Why can't they just be upfront and come out with a decent product from the onset. I can see them going the way of Robin Hood soon.
 
t212 got hammered from giving free shares to people who sell the share and withdraw the money then never use the app.

some of the people doing the referring get banned then cry about it on youtube

seems thats the real reason they closed new signups.


BTW I bought some ETF earlier it was above my average for over 1h40m before it showed as a profit.

the trading 212 spread definitely lags behind on some moving average, at-least when it's going up
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...... serious? it was literally red for almost a full 2 hours before vtec kicked in after the price went down even.
100% some weighted moving average on the spread.

I know it's not exactly real time but it was red the whole time 100% could have bailed on a profit at anytime with a limit sell order but with a market order 212 would sure have made it a loss and took the extra

the spread used to be great they clearly changed it a few months ago, I know people keep saying it's not allowed but there must be some tolerance levels they can abuse
 
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Fair pullback before close yesterday. Will have to do some research over the weekend and decide what I want to get back into, depending on how next week shakes out.

Will have a poke through some of the clean energy ETFs to make a less volatile pie that's not as exposed to the US stuff like Plug Power.
 
arknor said:
t212 got hammered from giving free shares to people who sell the share and withdraw the money then never use the app.

some of the people doing the referring get banned then cry about it on youtube

seems thats the real reason they closed new signups.


BTW I bought some ETF earlier it was above my average for over 1h40m before it showed as a profit.

the trading 212 spread definitely lags behind on some moving average, at-least when it's going up
bSbFKjH.jpg

sDBIAgk.jpg


...... serious? it was literally red for almost a full 2 hours before vtec kicked in after the price went down even.
100% some weighted moving average on the spread.

I know it's not exactly real time but it was red the whole time 100% could have bailed on a profit at anytime with a limit sell order but with a market order 212 would sure have made it a loss and took the extra

the spread used to be great they clearly changed it a few months ago, I know people keep saying it's not allowed but there must be some tolerance levels they can abuse
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The graphs are priced on the offer side btw.
 
dwarf said:
I don't think it's going to be that straight forward this time around. The $1.9 trillion needed for the stimulus will be financed by the Treasury issuing bonds and investors are not buying bonds right now. Interest rates are low and inflation is high so the return on the bonds is below inflation. Investors won't be buying $1.9 trillion worth of bonds unless the Fed increases the interest rate, which would increase the cost of borrowing and upset the markets quite a bit. So then the Fed buys the bonds by printing money. This keeps the bond yields artificially low but increases inflation even more. This makes bonds look even more unattractive to investors and the cycle continues.

At least that's how I understand it. I'm probably wrong in a few aspects.

Buy the dip?
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Interesting, it's just passed - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56307889
 
DireEmblem said:
Is this the same thing as is on PrimaryBid? I had a quick glance and it just looked like a sort of pooled investment looking to buy up private companies with the aim of driving investor returns. Its a bit of a long term investment than anything else.
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no idea. But sounds like it.

Not really for me I don't think. Not enough info
 
Dirk Diggler said:
I'm thinking of opening a S&S Junior ISA with Vanguard. Any recommendations for which fund to invest in? Child is 6 so it's a 12 year investment.
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Lifestrategy Funds depending on your attitude to risk (60/80/100%) - All dirt cheap (0.22% fund and 0.15% wrapper costs) and solid performers. You could take a higher risk one 80/100% now and reduce it later if you wish as they near 18. Depending on how much is being invested you could add other funds. But if low starting amount monthly/lump sum - then a single fund is fine for now.
 
booyaka said:
Lifestrategy Funds depending on your attitude to risk (60/80/100%) - All dirt cheap (0.22% fund and 0.15% wrapper costs) and solid performers. You could take a higher risk one 80/100% now and reduce it later if you wish as they near 18. Depending on how much is being invested you could add other funds. But if low starting amount monthly/lump sum - then a single fund is fine for now.
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Thanks :)
 
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