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Delays Continue well in to 2022

They lie - the market is flooded by Ryzen 7 5800X that no one buys.

Just stop the production of Ryzen 7 5800X and instead use the wafers for GPU production!
 
4K8KW10 said:
They lie - the market is flooded by Ryzen 7 5800X that no one buys.

Just stop the production of Ryzen 7 5800X and instead use the wafers for GPU production!
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you have contracts signed and fab time booked for a SPECIFIC task, im sure if amd pulled the plug the next person in line for that fab would then automatically take the next slot when its ready, and amd would have to sign a new contract when time is available down the line.

its not as easy as picking up a phone and telling tsmc to just changed what they are making to something else.
 
GAC said:
you have contracts signed and fab time booked for a SPECIFIC task, im sure if amd pulled the plug the next person in line for that fab would then automatically take the next slot when its ready, and amd would have to sign a new contract when time is available down the line.

its not as easy as picking up a phone and telling tsmc to just changed what they are making to something else.
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Contracts are not set in stone - contracts can always be annexed and their clauses changed.
Especially in this force majeure situation which doesn't tolerate delays in the appropriate actions.


Especially, when TSMC violates the contract by producing something that the market doesn't need.
 
4K8KW10 said:
Especially, when TSMC violates the contract by producing something that the market doesn't need.
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you really do say the most stupidest of things tsmc will make what its contracted to, just because you dont need a cpu doesnt mean tsmc has broken any contract.

as for set in stone, yes and no, there will be early finish clauses in them no doubt which will cost amd money. and as i said above, the next person in line to use that specific fab will be bumped up, due to the whole resetting the fab to produce a new product, they wont be doing it one week so amd get a month or a week or a day of gpu production and then swap again, and thats IF the fab can produce what they want or it is still actually producing 5800x cpu's and hasn't already finished that run for now and is producing something totally different. and before you say it YOU DONT KNOW unless you are working at tsmc and have a full list of whats being made where, when and for who.

maybe just stick to copy pasting articles and urls.
 
GAC said:
you really do say the most stupidest of things tsmc will make what its contracted to, just because you dont need a cpu doesnt mean tsmc has broken any contract.

as for set in stone, yes and no, there will be early finish clauses in them no doubt which will cost amd money. and as i said above, the next person in line to use that specific fab will be bumped up, due to the whole resetting the fab to produce a new product, they wont be doing it one week so amd get a month or a week or a day of gpu production and then swap again, and thats IF the fab can produce what they want or it is still actually producing 5800x cpu's and hasn't already finished that run for now and is producing something totally different. and before you say it YOU DONT KNOW unless you are working at tsmc and have a full list of whats being made where, when and for who.
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The Ryzen 5000 series and Radeon 6000 series use the same N7 production lines in TSMC. It doesn't make any difference to switch between them.
 
robfosters said:
The only way to possibly help this, is for mining to be irreversibly disabled on all RTX branded GPU’s.
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has to be multiple things, fabs back to 100% production, crypto crash across all of them not just one or two, and miners selling up their current farms of new cards due to the crash being bad enough to make them none profitable.

said in another thread even if these happen we could still be looking at a good 6 months of retail prices slowly dropping down to near rrp. 2nd hand market as it stands now will still be silly for a month or two i bet even after a crash.
 
Until the mining falls away, I cant see it changing any time soon. Even the next gen cards will be the same on their release if they are profitable for mining.
 
robfosters said:
The only way to possibly help this, is for mining to be irreversibly disabled on all RTX branded GPU’s.
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The ability to recoup some cost was the only reason I bought an Rtx. Im not sure why "gamers" have a god given right to a product lol.
 
Hedge said:
The ability to recoup some cost was the only reason I bought an Rtx. Im not sure why "gamers" have a god given right to a product lol.
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Quite simply, miners are greedy with cards. They buy as many as they can get while gamers very rarely buy more than 1.

Mining is unfair on the consumer.
 
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