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Nvidia Has a Driver Overhead Problem, GeForce vs Radeon on Low-End CPUs

HU tree sets at 1080p low didn't they, do most people with a 3070+ play on low settings? I wasn't aware

I think it was medium, 1440p, but still a good point.

This seems more negative on AMD than Nvidia to me.

Bad drivers can be fixed, but if AMD cards are only where they are in comparison to 30 series cards because of a driver advantage, then by the time Nvidia have rolled out Resizable BAR support and fixed drivers, they are going to be miles ahead, surely?

Depends how long it takes them to fix it, might need a complete driver overhaul which could take months.
 
Nvidia drivers work ok but they are in desperate need of a overhaul, as does the Windows XP control panel.

Yeah the control panel works, but it's so dated looking and sluggish compared to what amd have. I can't even recall when nvidia brought that control panel in, must be well over 10 years at this point.

Probably from 1995-1998 Windows 95 and Windows 98 - this is the legacy layout and user interface.

Nvidia has no its own control panel - it uses Windows' elements.

Maybe got too used to modern high thread cpus and got lazy with the code.

Doubtful. Does it require high IPC or high core count?
 
This is getting a lot of heat on all the main sub-reddits, AMD, nvidia, pgaming, pcmaster race etc.

Just need likes of gamer nexus etc. to do a video now and nvidia will have to do something, surely......

Why does GN have to do a video for this issue to be escalated?? Is the HU finding not good enough? I guess Nvidia fans don't trust HU these days.
 
This seems more negative on AMD than Nvidia to me.

Bad drivers can be fixed, but if AMD cards are only where they are in comparison to 30 series cards because of a driver advantage, then by the time Nvidia have rolled out Resizable BAR support and fixed drivers, they are going to be miles ahead, surely?
No. The issue is when using a lower end CPU and encountering CPU-bound scenarios. All reviewers use Zen 3 chips or a 9900K/10900K overclocked to 5GHz+ for their test bench. Performance at the top end won't change at all, because you'll be GPU-bound already.
 
It's ridiculous, it takes about 6 secs to open the nvidia control panel and that's on a 5950x and gen 4 nvme SSD (WD SN850). It's in desperate need of scrapping.

6 seconds on this hardware means the control panel is very heavy. Who knows what it's doing? Is it scanning the whole storage drive searching for the other day? :D
Or searching for textures and game elements which should be loaded together with the panel itself?

Anyways, it is an absolute joke.
 
6 seconds on this hardware means the control panel is very heavy. Who knows what it's doing? Is it scanning the whole storage drive searching for the other day? :D
Or searching for textures and game elements which should be loaded together with the panel itself?

Anyways, it is an absolute joke.

When I installed my RTX 3080FE the control panel was like going back in time. I don't even use it since there is nothing of much use in there. AMD has a lot more useful features and using the update Adrenaline interface is fantastic. Nvidia has a seperate GFE app which is annoying to be honest. Signing in to GFE is complete BS.
 
When I installed my RTX 3080FE the control panel was like going back in time. I don't even use it since there is nothing of much use in there. AMD has a lot more useful features and using the update Adrenaline interface is fantastic. Nvidia has a seperate GFE app which is annoying to be honest. Signing in to GFE is complete BS.

It is necessary, for example, when you switch between 3DMark and games back and forth.
Because 3dMark requires default settings, while in the games you can try to optimise for image quality, some performance related settings adjustments, etc.
Change of a monitor - 10 bit or 8 bit... Change of video enhancement settings, etc, etc.

You can't live without a control panel, if this is what you are trying to say.
 
When I installed my RTX 3080FE the control panel was like going back in time. I don't even use it since there is nothing of much use in there. AMD has a lot more useful features and using the update Adrenaline interface is fantastic. Nvidia has a seperate GFE app which is annoying to be honest. Signing in to GFE is complete BS.

There are plenty of useful options in the nvidia control panel, the UI is outdated but feature wise I have no complaints.
 
This seems more negative on AMD than Nvidia to me.

Bad drivers can be fixed, but if AMD cards are only where they are in comparison to 30 series cards because of a driver advantage, then by the time Nvidia have rolled out Resizable BAR support and fixed drivers, they are going to be miles ahead, surely?

Doesn't work like that, GPU's are tested on high end CPU's which have enough power to brute force their way past this, Look at the Ryzen 5600X result's, it seems to have little if any effect. The problem is people with an RTX 3070 or higher paired with a Ryzen 3600 or a 10600K.
 
Does it even need to be fixed? The only people effected are those who buy high end cards to play at low resolutions with low end CPUs.
 
Does it even need to be fixed? The only people effected are those who buy high end cards to play at low resolutions with low end CPUs.
that's the wrong attitude, you should absolutely want them to fix it for more performance from the cards regardless of how low or high the spec etc.
 
Of course it needs to be fixed. You can upgrade from a low/mid tier amd card to a high tier nvidia card and potentially get worse performance on your high refresh rate 1080p display.
 
Of course it needs to be fixed. You can upgrade from a low/mid tier amd card to a high tier nvidia card and potentially get worse performance on your high refresh rate 1080p display.

You're suggesting it's a realistic situation that someone with a 1600x is going to buy an RTX 3090 (at all) and then play games at medium/low settings at 1080p?

Isn't it common knowledge that pairing low end CPU's with high-end GPU's is going to cause a massive bottleneck anyway?

The "problem" was also much less pronounced on Intel, so are we sure the problem is being caused by Nvidia?

It's also maybe only one or two games, how many games did they test and how many games had this problem... A quick search suggests these guys are pretty well known for clickbait
 
There's plenty of people still on 2xxx ryzen chips with 3080/3090s too.

It's also an issue at 1440p....

Until I can get a 5600x for MSRP, I won't be upgrading my 2600 so until then, my 3080 is being choked big time unless I am playing at 4k on my oled or/and nvidia "can" fix it...... But for them to really take notice, we need more youtubers to do videos and call this out.

AMD got a lot of **** for their dx 11 etc. overhead (which was nowhere as bad in recent years) so the same needs to be done to nvidia especially considering these low level apis are the future.

But as usual, AMD always get **** for anything driver related where as nvidia can do no wrong.
 
When I installed my RTX 3080FE the control panel was like going back in time. I don't even use it since there is nothing of much use in there. AMD has a lot more useful features and using the update Adrenaline interface is fantastic. Nvidia has a seperate GFE app which is annoying to be honest. Signing in to GFE is complete BS.

Lets be honest though, regardless of its UI, you set a couple of settings in it then you don't have to touch it. Id rather it be as basic as possible given you don't have to use it apart from driver reinstalls when you set a couple of settings how you want them, close it and look at it again next time you update drivers. All I use it for is to tweak contrast and vibrance using HDR in Windows 10. Anything performance wise is done through Afterburner for me or your GPU overclocking tool of choice
 
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