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Nvidia Has a Driver Overhead Problem, GeForce vs Radeon on Low-End CPUs
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Rarely thankfully
, on desktop colour it opens in about 4secs so a little faster on that setting.
If only people could upgrade to the newer CPUS @ MSRP prices.....
Seen some saying to use this on reddit:
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/
Anyone here done it and not had issues?
https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-nvcleanstall/
Anyone here done it and not had issues?
Well @ltron's idea makes some sense:
It is possible that since Ampere doubled the FP32 cores, it is now a major thing to keep them fed and the driver has to schedule that.
As for it being a single core performance thing, well it may be that the feeding / scheduling is all done in one thread. If that is the case, Nvidia may be able to improve this with updates.
Is there any way of knowing where any specific game or other workload is feeding all cores fully? Maybe power consumption as the W1zzard quote @Gzero found implies:
In the end it is yet another complicating factor in deciding on hardware and makes those post and posters who ask 'what is best' even harder to answer as like display technology there is no single thing which is "best" at everything going all the way back to CRTs and everything in-between.
If only it wasn't four months since we got a delivery of official stock from AMD! If only Intel hadn't dried up production of tenth gen in preparation for 11th!
We've been buying most of our CPU stock from traders since before Xmas...we have to pay more so we have to charge more.
A similar test was done years ago where it was AMD drivers that had a higher overhead than Nvidia's.
It seems AMD listened and put the work in, now the tables have turned.
Now its your turn to sort this mess out Nvidia, 20 to 30% of my CPU just to drive your bloated mess drivers is bloody ridiculous, it was only about 5% when AMD had the higher overhead years ago.
It seems AMD listened and put the work in, now the tables have turned.
Now its your turn to sort this mess out Nvidia, 20 to 30% of my CPU just to drive your bloated mess drivers is bloody ridiculous, it was only about 5% when AMD had the higher overhead years ago.
20 to 30% on Dave's old 6700k maybe, more like 1% on my 5950x
lol....
Dunno why nVidia doesn't add something but if it really bothers people then you can open to the home page every time via this (has to be done that way each time):
Code:
@echo off
reg add "HKCU\Software\NVIDIA Corporation\NVControlPanel2\Client" /v LastPage /t REG_BINARY /d ec8881f1672555488bae2766f5ec54fc /f
start "" "%programfiles%\NVIDIA Corporation\Control Panel Client\nvcplui.exe"Only the "Manage 3D settings" pane has any delayed loading for me and it is only 2 seconds - the rest open instantly.
Alternatively you can edit the command registry entry for HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\CLSID\{0bbca823-e77d-419e-9a44-5adec2c8eeb0}
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I've not messed about with it but I guess you could set LastPage in the registry to ec8881f1672555488bae2766f5ec54fc then alter permissions to allow read only on the key - I've not tested it though it might cause problems.
It also might cause issues if a later nVidia driver update changed things around and/or tried to write that key.
On another note I've not seen any significant bottlenecking on my fairly old setup with my 3070FE at higher resolution - 1080P shows more of a difference but I game at 1440p (mostly) or 2160p. I have noticed before though that nVidia drivers seem to love RAM bandwidth and the quad channel helps a bit there.
It also might cause issues if a later nVidia driver update changed things around and/or tried to write that key.
On another note I've not seen any significant bottlenecking on my fairly old setup with my 3070FE at higher resolution - 1080P shows more of a difference but I game at 1440p (mostly) or 2160p. I have noticed before though that nVidia drivers seem to love RAM bandwidth and the quad channel helps a bit there.
nvidia need to address this quickly, most users still game at 1080p/1440p and lots of users are on Zen 2 CPU's which don't have the greatest single thread performance.
Lots of performance likely being left on the table due to this, disappointing but not surprising, explains a lot of the weird performance results which I assumed was the developers optimising for AMD cards.
This may push me towards the 6800XT or better, if they're ever in stock.
Lots of performance likely being left on the table due to this, disappointing but not surprising, explains a lot of the weird performance results which I assumed was the developers optimising for AMD cards.
This may push me towards the 6800XT or better, if they're ever in stock.
Yeah, nvidia will do some PR...
This is very pertinent to me as a 3080 + 5820K user who loves high frame rates above all else.
I don't think this effects zen 2 much as HW unboxed earlier did a comparison of a 3600 vs 5600X with a 3090 and while there was some difference at 1080p at 1440p or higher there was practically no difference.nvidia need to address this quickly, most users still game at 1080p/1440p and lots of users are on Zen 2 CPU's which don't have the greatest single thread performance.
Lots of performance likely being left on the table due to this, disappointing but not surprising, explains a lot of the weird performance results which I assumed was the developers optimising for AMD cards.
This may push me towards the 6800XT or better, if they're ever in stock.
It's possible, but like it was mentioned in the video, 5700XT to 3070 should be around 40%, not 16% that could be seen at 1440p with a 3600. Maybe it's a combination of the two but this raises a lot of questions.
nvidia need to address this quickly, most users still game at 1080p/1440p and lots of users are on Zen 2 CPU's which don't have the greatest single thread performance.
Lots of performance likely being left on the table due to this, disappointing but not surprising, explains a lot of the weird performance results which I assumed was the developers optimising for AMD cards.
This may push me towards the 6800XT or better, if they're ever in stock.
HU tested at 1080p low didn't they, do most people with a 3070+ play on low settings? I wasn't aware. As for the Zen vs 3 thing, it's not just about single performance, they said in the video Nvidia DX12 drivers like Cores, throw more cpu cores at it the better it performs, so likely a 1800x runs perfectly fine, it's the low core county entry CPUs that get hit hard - not like people weren't warned that they'd need more cores in the future, times a changing even consoles have 8 minimum
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This seems more negative on AMD than Nvidia to me.
Bad drivers can be fixed, but if AMD cards are only where they are in comparison to 30 series cards because of a driver advantage, then by the time Nvidia have rolled out Resizable BAR support and fixed drivers, they are going to be miles ahead, surely?
Bad drivers can be fixed, but if AMD cards are only where they are in comparison to 30 series cards because of a driver advantage, then by the time Nvidia have rolled out Resizable BAR support and fixed drivers, they are going to be miles ahead, surely?