New White Gloss Paint Sucks

Hotwired

Hotwired

Hotwired

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I'm doing some doors, painted about 12 doors matte white which were originally just stained.

Been thinking they should really be gloss.

However I was suspicious due to some older gloss around the doors having a cream colour and it turns out all new solvent gloss has a horrible and virtually guaranteed trend of turning nicotine stain yellow.

I didn't do the old gloss (which I think is middling old) but I've taken down two very old doors with a very hard very white glossy gloss.

From examining a few pages and looking at screwfix reviews on solvent gloss the stuff we can get today is just bad and will yellow indoors very quickly if there's limited sunlight. Meanwhile water based seems to give a considerably less gloss result.

Are white gloss doors still done and what are people using for it?
 
The matte paint is, well it's matte, feels like it will pick up and hold stains too easily for a potentially daily handled surface.

Does satin give a more stain resistant surface.
 
Yeah oil based gloss does suck, it also takes ages to dry and stinks. I changed to water based gloss.
 
This has been a thing since about ten years ago where the EU laws changed on what solvent content was allowed in oil based paints. It especially affects white wood paints that are oil based. You need to switch to a water based non yellowing white. Gloss has gone out of fashion anyway and most people go for satin wood these days which is kind of between Matt and gloss.
You can get water based stuff that is still high opacity and easy enough to apply giving a good finish.
 
I've not found gloss or even many satins that good - on my old house tried two different ones and both yellowed (which looks really odd on a slightly off grey colour) and one just sat like a skin even with proper prep of the underlying surface and was easily damaged peeling off in patches with the slightest rub against it.
 
Hotwired said:
Well the emulsion is on, 2-3 coats seems to have done a respectable job at covering the stained wood so I can be sure the water paint is staying on.

I reckon I'll give this a shot: https://www.screwfix.com/p/leyland-trade-fast-drying-paint-brilliant-white-2-5ltr/88133 and see how it works out on a couple of doors.
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I don't know about the fast drying stuff but I have sworn by Leyland Trade gloss for donkeys. It's been up 2 years here on emulsion'ed wood (that was previously just bare wood) - still looks white as anything. Strongly recommended.
 
I hate gloss with a passion. My mum made me paint all the skirting boards and interior doors as a kid and the scarring has never left me
 
dLockers said:
I don't know about the fast drying stuff but I have sworn by Leyland Trade gloss for donkeys. It's been up 2 years here on emulsion'ed wood (that was previously just bare wood) - still looks white as anything. Strongly recommended.
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The fast drying is water based and the not fast drying has all the low scoring reviews reporting that the paint yellows :eek:
 
d_brennen said:
I hate gloss with a passion. My mum made me paint all the skirting boards and interior doors as a kid and the scarring has never left me
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I hated gloss and didn't want to maintain it when my Dad past away. I stripped every skirting board and door way with a heat gun, definitely inhaled my body weight in lead. Picture my face when 2 years later my mum proposed to regloss every skirting board because she hated the bare wood look as it reminded her of the pine craze in the 60s and 70s :(:rolleyes:

Hotwired said:
The fast drying is water based and the not fast drying has all the low scoring reviews reporting that the paint yellows :eek:
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Interesting! Well I can only speak from my own experience. It was recommended by my brother who has been jobbing for a fair while so I took it as gospel and it has done me well. I'll give the fast dry stuff a go when this massive tin I bought a while back expires.

Edit: Had a quick look, the 'bad' reviews are correct - it does smell like gloss should (puts hairs on your chest) and it does take a while to dry. But yellow? Never! :p
 
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I have a front door to strip and repaint which I'll probably use black solvent gloss on because if there's a colour change no one seems to notice on black.
 
Yep, missed that one, thought there was only satin but got suspicious and had a second look round.

Was having a look at this and it seems glossy enough:

 
Switched from Dulux Oil based gloss to Dulux Satinwood for the last room I decorated. It's not quite as durable as the oil based, but it looks nicer, dries quicker and doesn't stink out the house. I love it. Being able to do both coats on the same day, rather than doing two coats of oil based over 2 days is a revelation to me.

Dave
 
We use satin in our house. Gloss look like a council estatey after a while.

Satin does get dirty easily, like edges of doors or banister. but it's also easier to paint and much quicker to put on and dry.
 
The oil stuff seems fine if it's always got light on it, I'm in the process of reglossing and all the backs of doors where things like dressing gowns hang, have gone yellow. Shouldn't be a problem going to water based, however I do think the waterbased stuff is a lot thinner, I'm having to do 4 coats to cover up the old stuff and you've really got to prep the doors or it peels off.
 
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