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AMD Lose More Market Share To Nvidia - Now Only Got 18%

muon said:
Oh dear :p

How long have you been in the computer graphics game?

Calling steam survey full of crap when it is you who is completely wrong is a little embarassing.

I suggest you google what HD 6700 and HD 6800 cards are.
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actually since before nvidia was a thing.
you maybe missed my edit, yes i realised my mistake the hd 6700 and hd 6800. mistakes happen we are all only human ;) so get of your mighty horse.

a partial survey cannot be accurate...

people use it like its gold dust or soemthing and its only as good as the data thats fed in and its well known that it can be manipulated etc unless steam now uses mac address to stop multiple users from the same machine or the other issues with collecting data in such a way.
 
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Dontrocktheboat said:
It was a masterstroke jumping off the TSMC merry-go-round. AMD just put too many eggs in one basket.
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AMD need TSMC to make their products competitive against Nvidia, also moving to a different foundry and a completely different process node may well have required a very extensive redesign.
 
henson0115 said:
actually since before nvidia was a thing.
you maybe missed my edit, yes i realised my mistake the hd 6700 and hd 6800. mistakes happen we are all only human ;) so get of your mighty horse.

a partial survey cannot be accurate...

people use it like its gold dust or soemthing and its only as good as the data thats fed in and its well known that it can be manipulated etc unless steam now uses mac address to stop multiple users from the same machine or the other issues with collecting data in such a way.
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You want to go round calling something which is clearly a lot of work and well displayed full of crap, then you've got to deal with being laughed at when wrong.

You now think this is a manipulated survey. Jeez.

A sampled survey can be very accurate. For something like this it's very easy to randomly sample and so is likely very accurate. Making ridiculous statements again. Learn some basic maths.

RDNA2 cards have terrible supply. Stop trying to make excuses as to why they show up as having hardly any sales.
 
muon said:
You want to go round calling something full of crap, then you've got to deal with it.

You now think this is a manipulated survey. Jeez.

A sampled survey can be very accurate. For something like this it's very easy to randomly sample and so is likely very accurate. Making ridiculous statements again. Learn some basic maths.

RDNA2 cards have terrible supply. Stop trying to make excuses as to why they show up as having hardly any sales.
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it is full of crap, it has been manipulated (unintentionally) and steam had to fix the issue on multiple occasions, that doesn't mean that its 100% guaranteed to be accurate now, they have found many bugs and issues with it how naïve are you? maybe you should do some research before slinging mud..

im not referring to rdna 2 cards at all, but also ampere.

acting all insulted because i called your little survey crap. grow up maybe?
 
henson0115 said:
it is full of crap, it has been manipulated (unintentionally) and steam had to fix the issue on multiple occasions, that doesn't mean that its 100% guaranteed to be accurate now, they have found many bugs and issues with it how naïve are you? maybe you should do some research before slinging mud..
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Lol, okay. It's somehow missing all the RDNA2 card that everyone has. Not very many people even on this forum actually have one compared to Ampere.

You are the one slinging mud without any evidence mate. Already been wrong.

Then coming out with a an absolute statement that a partial survey cannot be possibly be accurate. This is possibly one of the easiest things to sample accurately.

It is actually hilarious.

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That's forgetting also about the fact the JPR reserach also corroborates this.
 
muon said:
Lol, okay. It's somehow missing all the RDNA2 card that everyone has. Not very many people even on this forum actually have one compared to Ampere.

You are the one slinging mud without any evidence mate. Already been wrong.

Then coming out with a an absolute statement that a partial survey cannot be possibly be accurate. This is possibly one of the easiest things to sample accurately.

It is actually hilarious.
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i never said it was missing them all, what are you talking about? i said its not accurate not that its missing anything. hilarious is you getting upset over someone stating steam is wrong. google is full of hundreds of links about it being inaccurate historically and even end of last year. including big tech news reporters. good luck arguing about it with all of them.
 
muon said:
You tell me. You replied to my post to say those numbers from the survey are full of crap.
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because they have been caught out on multiple occasions and proven to be wrong. yet you seem to think they are 100% correct. i have no objective simply pointing out that the survey isn't 100% accurate. what do i care who has what %, does it serve me at all. nope. as i said grow up maybe?
 
henson0115 said:
because they have been caught out on multiple occasions and proven to be wrong. yet you seem to think they are 100% correct. i have no objective simply pointing out that the survey isn't 100% accurate. what do i care who has what %, does it serve me at all. nope. as i said grow up maybe?
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It's easy to throw shade on something without offering anything of value. People do it a lot on the internet because it's easy to do.

Nothing in the world is 100% accurate. So stop making arbitrary criteria.

Unless you have seen contradicting evidence, you have some other reason for doing this.
 
muon said:
It's easy to throw shade on something without offering anything of value. People do it a lot on the internet because it's easy to do.

Nothing in the world is 100% accurate. So stop making arbitrary criteria.
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i can get you links if you like proving historically that it has been found to be inaccurate on many occasions. in any case i think this is done.
 
henson0115 said:
i can get you links if you like proving historically that it has been found to be inaccurate on many occasions.
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Please go ahead and show me.

The only known issue happened once when cybercafe machines were over counted because multiple people used the same machines.

This wouldn't have any real bearing on rdna2 vs ampere numbers even if it were to happen again. Or is the steam hardware survey now permanently tainted because of this and should never be believed?

If that is your approach I feel sorry for you. It means you don't believe anything. Haven't met anyone who hasn't been wrong at least once. Maybe I shouldn't believe anything you say anymore, didn't you make a massive mistake earlier in this thread?
 
muon said:
Please go ahead and show me.

The only known issue happened once when cybercafe machines were over counted because multiple people used the same machines.

This wouldn't have any real bearing on rdna2 vs ampere numbers even if it were to happen again. Or is the steam hardware survey now permanently tainted because of this and should never be believed?
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heres the second issue with 10 seconds of effort on google.
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/steam-hardware-survey-cpu-gpu,37007.html
third
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/1744480966986631292/
shall i keep going?

again im not refering to rdna2 numbers... not sure why you keep talking about it. im talking generally.
 
henson0115 said:
heres the second issue with 10 seconds of effort on google.
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/steam-hardware-survey-cpu-gpu,37007.html
third
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/1744480966986631292/
shall i keep going?

again im not refering to rdna2 numbers... not sure why you keep talking about it. im talking generally.
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Lol. In your second link it detected both graphics devices. People even mention it in the thread.

Next...

Let's carry on with this post-hoc rationalisation. Let's google after the fact and hope you are right.
 
muon said:
Lol. In your second link it detected both graphics devices.

Next...

Let's carry on with this post-hoc rationalisation.
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take your pick. clearly you don't know software development if you think it cant be wrong. software is as infallible as the humans behind the software. we are all capable of making mistakes.
https://www.google.com/search?q=why...69i57j33i21.5250j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/258913-what-the-hell-happened-to-the-steam-hardware-survey
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...-steam-doesnt-accurately-measure-market-share
https://hardforum.com/threads/steam-hardware-survey-was-wrong.1959908/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...amings-biggest-digital-store/?sh=1ffc7f7742e9
 
henson0115 said:
take your pick. clearly you don't know software development if you think it cant be wrong. software is as infallible as the humans behind the software. we are all capable of making mistakes.
https://www.google.com/search?q=why...69i57j33i21.5250j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/258913-what-the-hell-happened-to-the-steam-hardware-survey
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...-steam-doesnt-accurately-measure-market-share
https://hardforum.com/threads/steam-hardware-survey-was-wrong.1959908/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...amings-biggest-digital-store/?sh=1ffc7f7742e9
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Nearly those links are about the same thing. Which both me and you have previously mentioned.

One of them is about games and not hardware.
 
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