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MSI 3080 i5 7600k benchmark

Gray2233 said:
Assuming you can reuse your RAM?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £368.98 (includes shipping: £0.00)
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You could save £60-100 by dropping down to the 10400F if you're not interested in overclocking. I'm not 100% clued up on Intel motherboards so should you go this route I'd ask for second opinions on the mobo.

AMD:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £419.98 (includes shipping: £0.00)
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Alternatively you could save £140 + by picking up a 3600 instead of the 5600X, honestly at 1440P or above you're probably not going to notice a difference. If you do go AMD you might want to consider your RAM, even if you already have DDR4 Ryzen very much likes and needs fast memory to see the best results. Ideally you want 3200 as a minimum, although if you're on 3000 you'll be fine -- if your RAM is slower than that you could see if you can OC it.

The above are both 6c12t solutions, you could probably fit 8c16t into your budget, but whether or not it's worthwhile is another matter.

With the AMD option you have a better platform and easier future upgrades, it's the route I would go personally.
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Wow thanks for all that, but my fault I ment 400 just for the CPU, I have about 600 budget, approx 200 for a Mobo and 400 for the CPU, sorry for not being clear.
 
Dan4dr said:
Wow thanks for all that, but my fault I ment 400 just for the CPU, I have about 600 budget, approx 200 for a Mobo and 400 for the CPU, sorry for not being clear.
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That being the case I'd seriously consider the Ryzen 5800X and a nice B550 or X570.

Something such as the following for example:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £559.98 (includes shipping: £0.00)​
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You'll need to decide on whether or not you'd benefit from being on X570 vs B550, here's a comparison guide:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-X570-vs-B550-vs-A520-Chipset-Comparison-1969/
 
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Gray2233 said:
That being the case I'd seriously consider the Ryzen 5800X and a nice B550 or X570.

Something such as the following for example:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £559.98 (includes shipping: £0.00)
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You'll need to decide on whether or not you'd benefit from being on X570 vs B550, here's a comparison guide:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-X570-vs-B550-vs-A520-Chipset-Comparison-1969/
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X570 it is then, thanks a lot
 
Gray2233 said:
That being the case I'd seriously consider the Ryzen 5800X and a nice B550 or X570.

Something such as the following for example:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £559.98 (includes shipping: £0.00)
​

You'll need to decide on whether or not you'd benefit from being on X570 vs B550, here's a comparison guide:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/AMD-X570-vs-B550-vs-A520-Chipset-Comparison-1969/
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This is the Motherboard + CPU combo i have, its all good but a note of caution, the Ryzen 5800X has a very aggressive boost, it boost higher all core than the 5600X, 5900X and 5950X which makes it run hot, you may find it concerning when you see that but its perfectly normal, the CPU is designed to just gun it and not stop until hit hits temps in the 80's.
 
FYI im not bothered which, but the i9 10900k is £420 which is the same price as the ryzen which is 10 cores and 20 threads, would that not be better?

Again sorry if im asking something stupid, I only have basic knowledge
 
Dan4dr said:
FYI im not bothered which, but the i9 10900k is £420 which is the same price as the ryzen which is 10 cores and 20 threads, would that not be better?

Again sorry if im asking something stupid, I only have basic knowledge
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More cores which aren't going to be used by 99% of games and are slower than the 5800X anyway. Then there's the platform to consider, with Comet Lake you're limited to PCI-E 3.0.

For Intel to compete (in some games) you need to OC to 5.0-5.1, and even then there's titles which the 5800X decimates the competition in. The titles Intel is ahead in, it's usually by a slim margin, when AMD is ahead it's often a pretty huge leap.

Dan4dr said:
X570 it is then, thanks a lot
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I would recommend either the MSI Tomahawk or Gigabyte Elite if you're going for that chipset with your budget.
 
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Dan4dr said:
FYI im not bothered which, but the i9 10900k is £420 which is the same price as the ryzen which is 10 cores and 20 threads, would that not be better?

Again sorry if im asking something stupid, I only have basic knowledge
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The 10900K is a little better for Multithreaded performance, by a little i mean slightly, the 5800X has better single core performance and better gaming performance where the GPU is not the bottleneck.

The 10900K has more cores but those cores are weaker than the 5800X, the 10900K also uses a lot more power than the 5800X.

IMO the 5800X is a better investment longer term because of its superior gaming performance, as @Gray2233 it also has PCIe 4 where as the 10900K is stuck with PCIe 3, again that's better future proofing, and because of Intel's current inefficient design it will also run hot unless you put a very high end cooler on it, the 5800X will be fine with a half decent tower cooler. it runs at higher temperatures because the boost is such that it knows how warm its running, so it will keep boosting until it reaches higher temps because it has that headroom.
 
Gray2233 said:
More cores which aren't going to be used by 99% of games and are slower than the 5800X anyway. Then there's the platform to consider, with Comet Lake you're limited to PCI-E 3.0.

For Intel to compete (in some games) you need to OC to 5.0-5.1, and even then there's titles which the 5800X decimates the competition in. The titles Intel is ahead in, it's usually by a slim margin, when AMD is ahead it's often a pretty huge leap.



I would recommend either the MSI Tomahawk or Gigabyte Elite if you're going for that chipset with your budget.
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I was looking at the Msi carbon pro x570 would i need to update the bios for the 5800x to work? As on the scan website it only says its compatible with the 2nd and 3rd gen? Or have they just not updated it?
 
Any particular reason for going X570?

The only difference between B550 and X570 is B550 can only take one PCIe 4 NVMe drive, X570 can take two or three, do you plan on running more than one PCIe 4 NVMe drive? they have the same VRMs ecte... actually sometimes B550 are better because they are newer.

X570 is the older 500 series design, some of them, (Don't know about the Msi carbon pro x570) will need a BIOS update to make them Ryzen 5000 compatible, tho that's easy to do, B550 are Ryzen 5000 ready out of the box, tho again its always good advice to up date your BIOS to the latest anyway.
 
Dan4dr said:
I was looking at the Msi carbon pro x570 would i need to update the bios for the 5800x to work? As on the scan website it only says its compatible with the 2nd and 3rd gen? Or have they just not updated it?
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I'm pretty confident that most MSI X570's have Bios Flashback, meaning you can flash the bios with a USB stick without needing a CPU installed.
 
turbot1984 said:
Looks like you have decided on Ryzen rather than waiting for 11900k/Z590, so agree with that + the new Intel will be approx £150 more?
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Yea normally i would say wait but we know a lot already and its not looking good for Intel, unfortunately, they can only get a few % past the 10K series which isn't anything like enough to catch AMD and they use even more power than the 10K series doing nothing more in comparison....

@Dan4dr You can save a little money going 5600X, they don't boost as aggressively as the 5800X if you're worried about that, they are still monster fast CPU's, i'm not kidding when i tell you its between 2 and 3 times as fast as your 7600K.
 
Look, this is the most extreme example, this difference doesn't exist in the bulk of games, at least not a 1080P because in the bulk of games the GPU just isn't fast enough to drive this far beyond the CPU's abilities, but it is an illustration of just how quick these things really are and the 5600X is among them.

I'd be more than happy with it but after a string of 6 core CPU's i wanted an 8 core for a change.

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humbug said:
Any particular reason for going X570?

The only difference between B550 and X570 is B550 can only take one PCIe 4 NVMe drive, X570 can take two or three, do you plan on running more than one PCIe 4 NVMe drive? they have the same VRMs ecte... actually sometimes B550 are better because they are newer.

X570 is the older 500 series design, some of them, (Don't know about the Msi carbon pro x570) will need a BIOS update to make them Ryzen 5000 compatible, tho that's easy to do, B550 are Ryzen 5000 ready out of the box, tho again its always good advice to up date your BIOS to the latest anyway.
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If im honest atm no I wouldnt need that many PCie 4 but I want to be future proof, I get what your saying about 5600 but surely if I can, I might aswell go for the 6800x and the z570 just so if in the future if I need that extra performance from the 6800 and the extra PCie 4, I dont have to change anything? That just my thought
 
Dan4dr said:
If im honest atm no I wouldnt need that many PCie 4 but I want to be future proof, I get what your saying about 5600 but surely if I can, I might aswell go for the 6800x and the z570 just so if in the future if I need that extra performance from the 6800 and the extra PCie 4, I dont have to change anything? That just my thought
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5800X not 6800X? :D

I get that, you're right and go for it, i'm just offering you an alternative if you want to save a bit of money, the 5800X is a good choice, its the one i made and i'm happy with it, X570 does give you more options than B550 so its also not a bad shout.
 
Dan4dr said:
If im honest atm no I wouldnt need that many PCie 4 but I want to be future proof, I get what your saying about 5600 but surely if I can, I might aswell go for the 6800x and the z570 just so if in the future if I need that extra performance from the 6800 and the extra PCie 4, I dont have to change anything? That just my thought
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Given your budget I think you're making the right call, you're currently on a 7600K which was launched back in Jan' 2017 -- and from reading this thread you would have kept it for longer were it possible. The current sweet spot for gaming is 6c12t, going for the 5800X and getting the extra cores/threads makes sense and should offer you more headroom before you need to upgrade. Going for more however would be huge overkill in most scenarios, the games which will benefit from more than 8c16t going forward are an extreme niche such as Star Citizen.
 
Dan4dr said:
If im honest atm no I wouldnt need that many PCie 4 but I want to be future proof, I get what your saying about 5600 but surely if I can, I might aswell go for the 6800x and the z570 just so if in the future if I need that extra performance from the 6800 and the extra PCie 4, I dont have to change anything? That just my thought
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With you on that. I went from i7 6700k to 10850k and improvements in FS2020 and other games was clear to see. Hope you are pleased with your excellent new Ryzen rig ;)
 
Gray2233 said:
Given your budget I think you're making the right call, you're currently on a 7600K which was launched back in Jan' 2017 -- and from reading this thread you would have kept it for longer were it possible. The current sweet spot for gaming is 6c12t, going for the 5800X and getting the extra cores/threads makes sense and should offer you more headroom before you need to upgrade. Going for more however would be huge overkill in most scenarios, the games which will benefit from more than 8c16t going forward are an extreme niche such as Star Citizen.
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5800X has basically doubled my FPS vs the 3600.


Similar sort of thing with the 3600



New Babbage with the 3600, performance on the surface was pretty bad, now its about 40 FPS. (5m 30s on)

 
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humbug said:
5800X has basically doubled my FPS vs the 3600.
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It's impressive alright.

That said I mentioned it as SC is one of the few games I'm aware of that can and will use pretty much everything available to it. Which of course isn't to say it wont run decently on lesser hardware, but it does scale exceedingly well from what I remember seeing over the past couple of years.
 
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