New White Gloss Paint Sucks

[koooowweeee]

The oil stuff seems fine if it's always got light on it, I'm in the process of reglossing and all the backs of doors where things like dressing gowns hang, have gone yellow. Shouldn't be a problem going to water based, however I do think the waterbased stuff is a lot thinner, I'm having to do 4 coats to cover up the old stuff and you've really got to prep the doors or it peels off.

Yeah it's thinner. If the doors are really yellow then maybe 3 coats but shouldn't need 4. With gloss that will stick to anything and covers much better. but all doors should be sanded down to get rid of the shine first. I wouldn't bother with skirtings tho.

 

[Maccapacca]

The gloss or satin from Johnstones is very good both non yellowing.

UV helps keep whites white so open your curtains.


https://www.johnstonespaint.com/pro...tal Quick Dry Satin,Wood and Metal Undercoats

 

[Hotwired]

Can't keep daylight on them if I tried.

More than half the doors open from an internal corridor and that's where I most noticed the off white of the older gloss.

 

[Scrutinize]

Can't keep daylight on them if I tried.

More than half the doors open from an internal corridor and that's where I most noticed the off white of the older gloss.

There really is no substantive need or benefit to using solvent based gloss anymore which resolves the yellowing issue.

Water based gloss/satin doesn't yellow. It's also very easy to apply a fresh touch up coat periodically especially on banisters and high wear areas.

I did our banisters in November last year, quick once over with a sanding pad, 5 mins to apply a new coat of Leyland water based gloss, 2 hours later and back in use.

It's hard wearing on external wood too.

 

[Hotwired]

I'll be going down to screwfix later and yoinking a can or four and probably a wide brush to follow my rollering.

My doors look exactly like this, except white, holes and all and this looks like a good and in fact trade method of not having annoying/unappealing brush/roller marks:

 

[theone8181]

The other nice thing (if you can be bothered), is that it dries so fast you can get 2 coats in a day, maybe 3 depending on times.

 

[Zeeflyboy]

The oil stuff seems fine if it's always got light on it, I'm in the process of reglossing and all the backs of doors where things like dressing gowns hang, have gone yellow. Shouldn't be a problem going to water based, however I do think the waterbased stuff is a lot thinner, I'm having to do 4 coats to cover up the old stuff and you've really got to prep the doors or it peels off.

exactly what I noticed - I thought the skirting in the living room I did was holding up fine until I moved the sofa

 

[theone8181]

exactly what I noticed - I thought the skirting in the living room I did was holding up fine until I moved the sofa

Our original gloss wasn't while to start with it was somewhere between white and cream (I'm male so that's the closest description you'll get), so it wasn't mega obvious, the doors now look like that cheese, white on the outside and yellow in the middle.

 

[pastymuncher]

This thread explains a issue I have been wondering about for some time. Three years ago I fitted all new internal doors and each door had two coats of undercoat and then two coats of Dulux non drip white gloss (rubbed down between coats). A year or so ago I noticed that the inside of all cupboard doors had turned to a cream colour and it does look like nicotine. I figured it has something to do with the light but expected the inside being dark to retain it's colour. Thanks to this thread I now know what has happened and will be buying some of that Leyland gloss paint in a couple of months when I do all the window frames and sills.

 

[kinetic747]

This thread explains a issue I have been wondering about for some time. Three years ago I fitted all new internal doors and each door had two coats of undercoat and then two coats of Dulux non drip white gloss (rubbed down between coats). A year or so ago I noticed that the inside of all cupboard doors had turned to a cream colour and it does look like nicotine. I figured it has something to do with the light but expected the inside being dark to retain it's colour. Thanks to this thread I now know what has happened and will be buying some of that Leyland gloss paint in a couple of months when I do all the window frames and sills.

With the added bonus of being able to clean your brushes in warm soapy water, for that reason alone I'll never go back to oil based paints.

 

[pastymuncher]

I imagine it doesn't smell so bad either? That Dulux gloss was headache inducing strong!

 

[pp111]

The gloss or satin from Johnstones is very good both non yellowing.

UV helps keep whites white so open your curtains.


https://www.johnstonespaint.com/products?product_families=Wood and Metal Eggshell,Wood and Metal Liquid Gloss,Wood and Metal Non Drip Gloss,Wood and Metal Quick Dry Gloss,Wood and Metal Quick Dry Satin,Wood and Metal Undercoats

A lot of people swear by Johnstones gloss white.

 

[Hotwired]

I imagine it doesn't smell so bad either? That Dulux gloss was headache inducing strong!

Water based has a faint and inoffensive smell that goes quickly.

 

[lookitsjonno]

Just switched to Leyland Trade Satinwood with the accompanying Leyland undercoat. Behaves just like a real gloss, except it can get easily marked which is frustrating. You can just touch it back up in 5 minutes though.

B&Q were cheaper than screwfix and they had 25% extra free.

 

[Bigpops]

At the end of 2019, I did my brother's living room woodwork with Leyland trade fast drying water based gloss and it is excellent. I was really surprised how good it is. Certainly a vast improvement over what was around last time I did any decorating (2012).

It goes on easy, it's touch dry in about 20 minutes on a dry day, and easy clean up of water based paint. Most importantly though, it's shiny, and it will stay white, unlike today's pathetic oil based paints.

 

[theone8181]

Water based has a faint and inoffensive smell that goes quickly.

Yep, no cracking of windows needed. So for you guys that have used oil based stuff for years, has it always yellowed (my only experience is of stuff that's less than 10 years old).

 

[Gav_r26]

I use this stuff and its great to work wit and seems to be wearing brilliantly. It was recommended by a professional painter and decorator and is all he uses now unless it is requested otherwise. There's a primer to go with it. Covers like old fashioned gloss but is touch dry in 20 -30 mins.

https://www.topdecbrush.co.uk/product/Andura-paint/1?cp=true&sa=false&sbp=false&q=true

 

[thenewoc]

Yes new white gloss is garbage, changed to comply with EU rules, should never have been changed. Unless the doors are in perfect condition you'd be better off using a satin or matt finish as it will hide imperfections better. Anything Zinsser range is good shout even if only used for their undercoat. Unless the Zinsser top coat stays white I'd use an oil based primmer and just top it off with a water based satin, I've heard good things about the Leyland stuff. A little water on the brush helps to lay it down well but you have to be bold and work with the modern water based stuff very fast otherwise you get dry drag streaks in it and a rough finish.

 

[thenewoc]

Yep, no cracking of windows needed. So for you guys that have used oil based stuff for years, has it always yellowed (my only experience is of stuff that's less than 10 years old).

No the old stuff never yellowed and was tough as old boots. I have heard of people avoiding the white all together and just starting off with cream or some other neutral colour if wanting to stick with oil.

 

[thenewoc]

The oil stuff seems fine if it's always got light on it, I'm in the process of reglossing and all the backs of doors where things like dressing gowns hang, have gone yellow. Shouldn't be a problem going to water based, however I do think the waterbased stuff is a lot thinner, I'm having to do 4 coats to cover up the old stuff and you've really got to prep the doors or it peels off.

I did a whole flat not knowing about the balls up to white oil based paint manufacturing and within a few months it had yellowed. I picked up an ornament from a window sill and couldn't believe it was yellowed underneath. Was sole destroying since the time and care it took to do the job. Never falling for the oil based saga again.