Dogs in flats

There are certainly cat's that have been conditioned to avoid the outside, usually those raised indoors all their lives.

I personally don't think it's natural, although wouldn't go as far to think it's cruel or unacceptable. It's difficult from an ethical standpoint, in one regard, some see it as a naturalistic imperative that animals be allowed, and raised encouraging, them to show their natural behaviours. Conversely, cats are dangerous to wildlife and can be indoctrinated to stay dependent on their owners indoors having them fulfil their function as companions while limiting environmental impact.

It's certainly a clearer argument than dogs, dogs need exercise and constant companionship. If a dog is left alone or is not walked regularly, they become irrational and depressed.
Today, nothing about human interaction with animals is natural! The amount of cats and dogs we breed and keep isn't natural. The raising of livestock for the meat industry isn't natural.

The human world is not the natural environment for any animal. That includes cats, who are very likely to be killed on roads, because cars aren't natural ;)

And then there's neighbours who like to poison cats, which again is a very un-natural threat for them to face...

"Natural" went out the window centuries ago. The only imperative today is the humane treatment of animals.
 
It sounds like a terrible idea to me, and like it would be unfair on the dog, unless you go for a walk two or three times a day.
 
I have a golden retriever in a 2 bedroom top floor (4 storeys) flat.

Ultimately, I think it depends on the dog but our dog is absoutely fine. He mostly sleeps during the day. He has two beds (one in the living room, one in the bedroom) and has lots of teddys and things he can play with. As we both work from home at the minute we interact and chat with him throughout the day.
He doesn't bark, pace, just chills out. He's pretty lazy but is very energetic outside.

In terms of walking, we go out at around 7.45 for 30 minutes or so. We then take him out between 12-2 for 30 minutes and then around 5.30 for 45 minutes to an hour. At 10pm we take him downstairs to a patch of grass outside for a final pee.
At weekends, we are out for a few hours each day. Today for example, we will walk approx 3 miles to take him to his friend (more below) and she'll walk him a fair bit. Tomorrow we will go for a walk around a loch so he can swim

Feeding? He gets fed twice a day, after the morning walk and before the evening walk. Feeding doesn't take long, literally a mug full of food into his bowl and a dentastick in the morning.

Before working from home, he got a dog walker each day my partner didn't work from home (she worked from home 2 or 3 days out of 5 pre Covid) then that's probably around £10ph or £15-20 for doggy day care.

We used BorrowMyDoggy in the past, and from that he's met a friend who he hangs out with quite a lot - in fact, she is taking him this afternoon so my partner and I can go for a cycle. She has also borrowed him when we go on shorter trips. For longer holidays, there's someone else we use who looks after him in her home and doesn't charge much. However, my mum has got a dog since our last holiday and is keen to take him next time so there's always that.

However, we do generally involve him with our day to day stuff. We know all the dog friendly pubs/cafes/restaurants in the city, happy to take him on walks. He's fine on the train so if we don't want to drive then that's that option. Again, for weekends away we just take him with us. During the break in the lockdown last year we went to Bristol. Drove down from Glasgow and stayed at the Hotel Du Vin which is dog friendly and is happy for the dog to be left in the room whilst we went out in the evening and happy for the dog to dine with us in the bar. Whilst we were in Bristol, we mainly walked around with him and had some drinks. One evening we went out to a fancy restaurant and he just stayed in the hotel. Once we got back I just took him for a pee. But, the majority of places were fine (I had to carry him up the stairs in Left Handed Giant as he was terrified of something for some reason!).
So you can definitely involve them in your holidays, it's just if you want to? We have stayed at a bunch of hotels/b&bs/holiday homes/etc with him. He's a family member to us so we don't have any issue making sure what we do can accommodate him.

Insurance - £30 or so a month, but that's with a bunch of claims (he has on-going hydrotherapy and on prescription pain killers)
Food - £35 a month.
Vet bills - £40 a year for vaccines/boosters.

I think it sounds like you don't want one. You have to accept that your life will change, a lot. And your weekends and free time to a large degree will have to involve the dog. If you don't want to sacrifice that, or can't involve the dog then it's probably not a great idea.

This is him now
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Out of interest, is this Left Handed Giant place old?

Sounds like he picked up on something a bit sinister.
 
It sounds like a terrible idea to me, and like it would be unfair on the dog, unless you go for a walk two or three times a day.

Indeed. I took on a Husky last year from a friend who unfortunately became too ill to look after the dog.

I ended up having to get an electric mountain bike to give the dog the proper runs that he needs. :D
 
Out of interest, is this Left Handed Giant place old?

Sounds like he picked up on something a bit sinister.

No idea how old it is, but no doubt quite old. However, he is a bit funny about stairs. He goes up and down the communal stairs in my block fine but he's a bit adverse to go up stairs in a house and when in other places. He also hates lifts, and I think there were some beside the stairs which may have spooked him. Thankfully, he was fine going down them as I didn't fancy lugging his 35kg weight down the stairs after a number of beers!

But maybe he's a ghoul sensing dog!
 
No idea how old it is, but no doubt quite old. However, he is a bit funny about stairs. He goes up and down the communal stairs in my block fine but he's a bit adverse to go up stairs in a house and when in other places. He also hates lifts, and I think there were some beside the stairs which may have spooked him. Thankfully, he was fine going down them as I didn't fancy lugging his 35kg weight down the stairs after a number of beers!

But maybe he's a ghoul sensing dog!

Dogs are weird! Mine is terrified of bridges so I end up carrying him across them. Luckily he's only half the weight of yours though.
 
Dogs are weird! Mine is terrified of bridges so I end up carrying him across them. Luckily he's only half the weight of yours though.
I suppose some are strange. Maybe we just got lucky. I thought we might have had a problem with ours with the lift the first time. Not a bit of it - just jumped in there. Same with hotels, cars, bridges - in fact we strolled across the whole Forth Bridge.
 
Guy who used to live above us thought it was a good idea to get a puppy akita. They also both worked. The thing spent all day barking abd howling from the second they left untill they got back.

in the end the lease holders of flats got so much grief about it they gave him they options to move out or get rid of the dog as it broke the lease.

they moved out in the end, tried to fight it for a bit but realised it was a no win.

Same experience but a couple of small dogs who would be behind the front door of the flat and bark non stop from the moment she left for work in the morning until the moment she got home in the evening. She left in the end everyone got sick to death of it too many complaints I think.
 
Funnily enough I've just been reading how Greyhounds and Whippets are great dogs for flats.

They need about an hour's exercise per day, but other than that are considered "lounge" dogs, ie they like nothing more than to curl up and chill.

So it very much sounds like it depends on the breed.

Don't know what you mean. :D

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