Moving away from gas hob?

One thing I forgot to mention - Do not put your new digital DAB radio next to a induction hob - It's death cry was worst sound I have ever heard :eek: It's screems lasted ages. :)
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Gas is cheaper per kWh (approx 1/3 -1/4) but you need way more of it so the difference is not that big. When you heat using gas, loads of the heat just escapes around the side of the pan. An induction hob has direct contact and it’s the pan itself that heats up, it’s far more efficient.

Fuel costs to run a hob are insignificant compared to central heating. The fuel bill point isn’t really material.
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Oh it most certainly is. I went from all electric cooking to all gas and my bills dropped substantially.
 
I've just about binned off gas completely, given it isn't the future. And as much as I appreciate a gas hob, not having any gas supply at all is going to mean gas bottle which I would rather not bother with. ASHP/Solar/Battery/Stove, no gas, well apart from the BBQ/Grill but that is only staying until it falls to bits. :p

OP, the choice is yours but unless you spend loads of time cooking and it is something you do as a hobby/relaxation, induction is the way forward. :)
 
DXP55 said:
One thing I forgot to mention - Do not put your new digital DAB radio next to a induction hob - It's death cry was worst sound I have ever heard :eek: It's screems lasted ages. :)
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Tbh I'd be wary of anything metal nearby (that's boxed), I suspect phones would die too. Interesting that it boils faster than a kettle, surely you're putting the same energy in?
 
Journey said:
I've just about binned off gas completely, given it isn't the future. And as much as I appreciate a gas hob, not having any gas supply at all is going to mean gas bottle which I would rather not bother with. ASHP/Solar/Battery/Stove, no gas, well apart from the BBQ/Grill but that is only staying until it falls to bits. :p

OP, the choice is yours but unless you spend loads of time cooking and it is something you do as a hobby/relaxation, induction is the way forward. :)
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Whilst reading this thread I came to the same conclusion. Enjoy your gas hobs while you can folks, from 2030s onwards gas boilers are being phased out and I expect in the next 20 years or so you'll see the natural gas connections stopped in homes for cleaner / renewable fuels too. It'll be bottled gas if you insist on using it.
 
as we discussed in earlier threads
- Induction hobs need to have infinitely variable levels, many still turn on and off /pwm to obtain heat levels, so you can't simmer stuff, even Miele/AEG .. aren't clear in specs
- typical single induction core ~5"dia means you can get localised heating/burning versus gas(hot gases distribute heat) so need multi-ply very conductive pans to compensate
(multi-coil approach will be better maybe the stuff Heston, apparently, installed is good https://www.menu-system.com/en/cook...e-specialist/the-benefits-of-menu-system.html )
- I want to run a cast iron wok, but many inductions can't get hot enough, w/o enough, sustained btu's, versus gas. (induction boosts are transient)
fragility of ceramic top would also be worrying for woks/le-creusets.

google's not showing me any new 2021 induction innovations to change my mind ?

so - I'm out - for the time being
 
ci_newman said:
Whilst reading this thread I came to the same conclusion. Enjoy your gas hobs while you can folks, from 2030s onwards gas boilers are being phased out and I expect in the next 20 years or so you'll see the natural gas connections stopped in homes for cleaner / renewable fuels too. It'll be bottled gas if you insist on using it.
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Got a source for that?

All that’s been announced is the measures for new homes. As it stands there is no credible proposal to deal with existing domestic and commercial space heating (other than doing a lot of offsetting). There is lots of experiments and testing but nothing that can be deployed at scale in the U.K.

To retrofit a modern property that needs zero remedial works to retain heat is around £8-£10k. That would cover an ASHP, new cylinder and replacing every radiator in the property.

Updating older properties is not trivial at all, heat pumps have a much lower flow temperature which means insulation levels need to be up to modern standards for them to work. That is the challenge.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Got a source for that?

All that’s been announced is the measures for new homes. As it stands there is no credible proposal to deal with existing domestic and commercial space heating (other than doing a lot of offsetting). There is lots of experiments and testing but nothing that can be deployed at scale in the U.K.

To retrofit a modern property that needs zero remedial works to retain heat is around £8-£10k. That would cover an ASHP, new cylinder and replacing every radiator in the property.

Updating older properties is not trivial at all, heat pumps have a much lower flow temperature which means insulation levels need to be up to modern standards for them to work. That is the challenge.
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Many many sources, the Government brought forward the legislation in Nov 2020:

https://www.theecoexperts.co.uk/boilers/uk-gas-boiler-ban#:~:text=Are gas boilers being phased out in the UK?,-Yes, they are&text=The UK Government revealed on,net-zero plans for 2050.

https://www.edfenergy.com/heating/advice/uk-boiler-ban

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/1...builds-from-2025-what-does-this-mean-for-you/

From 2035, you will not be able to install a conventional gas boiler in any property, new or old.
 
200sols said:
2035. Yeah ill keep using gas for the foreseeable.
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That's only 14 years away. Many people buying new kitchens and appliances could easily expect their purchases to last longer than 14 years before requiring replacement (hell, the gas boiler in my home is the original boiler that was installed 36 years ago).

The days of burning fossil fuels in our homes and cars WILL end in the next decade or two. You can begin to embrace it now or later, but eventually you'll have no choice.
 
ci_newman said:
Many many sources, the Government brought forward the legislation in Nov 2020:

https://www.theecoexperts.co.uk/boilers/uk-gas-boiler-ban#:~:text=Are gas boilers being phased out in the UK?,-Yes, they are&text=The UK Government revealed on,net-zero plans for 2050.

https://www.edfenergy.com/heating/advice/uk-boiler-ban

https://www.which.co.uk/news/2020/1...builds-from-2025-what-does-this-mean-for-you/

From 2035, you will not be able to install a conventional gas boiler in any property, new or old.
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Which only applies to new build housing not existing stock. There is currently no plans existing stock. There is a white paper but it relies on technology that doesn’t currently exist to implement (hydrogen boilers). There is also zero funding to deal with the costs to transition.

Like I said, you can’t just rip out boilers and put in an ASHP, they don’t work in older properties without them being completely refurbished and some require significant modifications.

To quote the first link:
However, like most things in life, it ultimately boils down to money. The report from the Committee on Climate Change said it would cost £26,300 to install low-carbon heating in an existing house – to install it in a new home, on the other hand, would only cost £4,800.
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I’m not saying that things don’t need to change, what I’m saying is that there isn’t currently a realistic, credible and deliverable plan that can actually be implemented in reality.

That’s in complete contrast to electric cars which is well into its transition with a range of products available to suit (but not currently everyone’s needs). Costs are coming down every time a new model launches.

Anyway we’re getting off topic...
 
I'm looking at moving away from gas. Currently the hob and boiler are gas but both will likely get replaced during our kitchen extension. I see no point in rerouting the old gas pipes around the side of the house.
 
amigafan2003 said:
Yeah they do. Maybe the cheap induction hobs aren't good, but decent ones out class gas all day long.

Mine has 14 point control plus power boost and auto adjusts to pan size. If I've a pan on the boil, the pan responds instantly the moment I turn the zone off/down. Plus I can remove the pan and don't have to worry about the cats or kids burning themselves on the hob. And don't get me started on cleaning gas hobs!

https://eurokera.com/blog/professional-chefs-love-induction-cooking-and-you-should-too/
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Which do you have please? Looking at AEG and Neff at the moment for 5 burner induction hobs around the £820 mark.
 
ci_newman said:
Whilst reading this thread I came to the same conclusion. Enjoy your gas hobs while you can folks, from 2030s onwards gas boilers are being phased out and I expect in the next 20 years or so you'll see the natural gas connections stopped in homes for cleaner / renewable fuels too. It'll be bottled gas if you insist on using it.
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Tbh I was surprised we had gas anything on this new build, was built at the end of last year.
 
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