Parking fine - Guessing they won't accept my appeal?

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Long story short, my friend lives on an estate that has a permit system and is visited by a parking agency. My friend managed to park their car in a visitors bay (each property gets a main permit and a visitors permit), leaving their space free for me.

Unfortunately I forgot to move the permit my friend gave me from my cup holder and into view on the dashboard. I'm confident I've been recorded as the attendants are like flies around you know what and a neighbour said on the estate FB group that they were recording my car.

So basically I'm expecting a £60 for simply forgetting to put the permit onto the dash. I can appeal and get my friend to confirm I had the permit but I'm guessing they'll reject that appeal? Frustrating that it's £60 for a silly mistake.
 
I think the sentiment on this has moved on quite a bit nowadays. But previously, you would treat this as an invitation to pay/ an invoice and simply ignore it. The fine is for the person who was driving the car as well, someone whom you aren't legally obliged to 'fess up who it was.

This is most definitely not the case for council penalty charges.

Alternatively you can try and appeal but they aren't in the business of being generous.
 
Yeah I read that PePiPoo site but lots of conflicting information around ignoring or not, seems to say that ignoring isn't the advice since about 2012. Think I'll just pay it as can't be bothered with the back fourth appeals for the sake of £60.

I think that site also said that the Protection of Freedoms Act has changed things. All seems like a minefield that I can't be bothered with.
 
I had this recently, except a multi story. I put the sheet the wrong way around. I appealed and got rejected, so I appealed again and it got over turned. Thankfully - it was ridiculous like £100. So I'd appeal anyway, and then re-appeal regardless.
 
Yeah appeal and appeal again with the Popla organisation too. I've had 3 PCNs and successfully appealed 2 for various reasons so it's worth doing. Also appealed a council one where I was in obvious violation (literally next to a no parking sign that I managed not to notice at the time) and they took pity on me which was nice. The charge period is frozen during the appeal too so shouldn't have to pay more than the 60 even if you lose.
 
Don't pay.

Also pursue POPLA action as others have suggested. However you can't just appeal based on sympathy. Read threads below

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/categories/parking-tickets-fines-parking

Even if you lose the POPLA appeal, pay when they actually believe in what they are saying issue small claims action.

99% of the time they won't. Even if they do, the probability of them showing up is lower and then actually winning is even lower.

Even if you lose they can only pursue the original charge of £100 + statutory costs which add up to less than £100. If they try to claim more then they will lose on abuse of process.

The £100 original charge is already a commercial charge which covers their operating costs (it's not based on any real damages). This was actually determined by the Beavis case which they love to cite. They are not allowed to inflate this.
 
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Is there a rule/law on where the permit needs to be displayed?

If not then request a picture and then appeal on the basis that it was on display in the front/rear of the car?
 
I bet they didnt even take a picture.

But iyea, if they did just say it was in whatever window they didnt take a picture of :p
 
muon said:
Don't pay.

Also pursue POPLA action as others have suggested. However you can't just appeal based on sympathy. Read threads below

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/categories/parking-tickets-fines-parking

Even if you lose the POPLA appeal, pay when they actually believe in what they are saying issue small claims action.

99% of the time they won't. Even if they do, the probability of them showing up is lower and then actually winning is even lower.

Even if you lose they can only pursue the original charge of £100 + statutory costs which add up to less than £100. If they try to claim more then they will lose on abuse of process.

The £100 original charge is already a commercial charge which covers their operating costs (it's not based on any real damages). This was actually determined by the Beavis case which they love to cite. They are not allowed to inflate this.
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This is a lot of hassle over £60 - the risk of being taken to small claims I'd rather just pay it and move on :(
 
MrRockliffe said:
This is a lot of hassle over £60 - the risk of being taken to small claims I'd rather just pay it and move on :(
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Or just do nothing until small claims court action drops (<1% chance it will) and only then pay any attention. This requires zero effort 99/100 times. If you are in the extremely small minority where it does happen, you still stand a very high probability of winning.

Do you just pay anyone claiming you owe them money?

You go the POPLA route to waste their time and cost them money.

If I threaten you to take you to court, will you pay me money? Anyone can issue small claims court action with the most tenuous reason.
 
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Nasher said:
Try the Joe Lycett defence:
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If you like this kind of banter, it was pioneered by David Thorne of 27blash6. Lots of great reads on there if you haven't seen it before... it is where the "I want to pay with a drawing of a spider" originated from, too. I think Lycett pays him to write for him.
 
watercooledman said:
No that is the reason these so called companies exist.
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Yep, but is it worth the mental energy thinking about it and associated risks?

Not for me personally - £60 will go out my account and I won’t think about it again.

However I know I’d spend every day wondering when I’ll next hear from them, and what they’ll say.

I have a finite amount of energy to spend every day, and I’d rather not waste it thinking about a parking ticket - much better put to use thinking about health, family or work.
 
Yeah just say it must've blown off the dashboard and appeal. If it gets overturned, result, if it doesn't pay up. That way you still only pay 60 if you have to
 
Me being me (tight arse) I'd probably appeal on the basis it's a genuine mistake..

I got away with a parking ticket because I used my Mrs old car reg when parking (literally changed cars 2 weeks prior), so although I was banged to rights from their angle, it was a genuine mistake and I had 'paid' for some parking.. They gave me a bit of a lecture in their written response but let me off.

But, If it was a load of faff and hassle I could do without, I'd pay (as I've done when I got nabbed visiting a friend in a permit zone and thought I'd chance it)..
 
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