First GeForce RTX 3080/3070 LHR graphics cards go official

[Harlequin]

First GeForce RTX 3080/3070 LHR graphics cards go official - Graphics - News - HEXUS.net

Galax are the first AIB to change over its entire product range to low hash rate cards, packaging and product naming will remain the same.

 

[Minstadave]

Be interesting to see how long this takes to be cracked. Before the end of the week?

 

[Ultraman1966]

Why only half? Why not gimp it down to a tenth? Does it affect gaming performance?

This is in reference to show sites that cite the hash rate to be halved for this type of LHR editions but I may be wrong.

 

[BlueInf]

Be interesting to see how long this takes to be cracked. Before the end of the week?

Since the 3060 has not been really cracked that remains to be seen.

obviously there will be more interest in cracking this properly

 

[xPETEZx]

Since the 3060 has not been really cracked that remains to be seen.

obviously there will be more interest in cracking this properly

Didn't nVidia basically do the cracking work for the miners by releasing a beta driver that didn't have the lock in-place?

I am not a fan of limiters on specific workloads. Firstly cause I dont think its the manufactures place to dictate what you do with there product, and secondly because I dont think it works.
These things will be worked around.

What if car manufacture stated you could use your car as a taxi? And somehow came up with a way to "block" that? Or you cant use it off-road?

In my eyes the manufacture should build the device and state its intended use. Then they can possibly reject warranty claims for proven misuse. (IE driving off-road all the time and cracking the oil sump in the car example...)

 

[BlueInf]

Didn't nVidia basically do the cracking work for the miners by releasing a beta driver that didn't have the lock in-place?

I am not a fan of limiters on specific workloads. Firstly cause I dont think its the manufactures place to dictate what you do with there product, and secondly because I dont think it works.
These things will be worked around.

What if car manufacture stated you could use your car as a taxi? And somehow came up with a way to "block" that? Or you cant use it off-road?

In my eyes the manufacture should build the device and state its intended use. Then they can possibly reject warranty claims for proven misuse. (IE driving off-road all the time and cracking the oil sump in the car example...)

Yea exactly I just wanted to say that although they leaked a cracked driver for the 3060, nobody else has cracked it officially.

In particular the cracked driver is not particularly easy to use: it will work only under a specific set of conditions.

 

[Harlequin]

Even if its not worked around, ETH is going to proof of stake by the end of the year, so mining will simply move to a different alt coin anyway

 

[Minstadave]

Since the 3060 has not been really cracked that remains to be seen.

obviously there will be more interest in cracking this properly

The cracked drive is ridiculously simple to use. You install the driver, make sure you have a monitor or dummy HDMI plug installed and you're done.

There's no motivation to find a work around for the 3060 as it's not needed.

 

[BlueInf]

The cracked drive is ridiculously simple to use. You install the driver, make sure you have a monitor or dummy HDMI plug installed and you're done.

There's no motivation to find a work around for the 3060 as it's not needed.

Yea sorry it’s not ideal for people who have 10 cards, that’s what I mean to say. Not many people are gonna stock up on 3060s non ti.

You seem to not know about the additional requirement for it to work, when using either multiple cards or hive os.

 

[bru]

Didn't nVidia basically do the cracking work for the miners by releasing a beta driver that didn't have the lock in-place?

I am not a fan of limiters on specific workloads. Firstly cause I dont think its the manufactures place to dictate what you do with there product, and secondly because I dont think it works.
These things will be worked around.

What if car manufacture stated you could use your car as a taxi? And somehow came up with a way to "block" that? Or you cant use it off-road?

In my eyes the manufacture should build the device and state its intended use. Then they can possibly reject warranty claims for proven misuse. (IE driving off-road all the time and cracking the oil sump in the car example...)

That's all very well and good and in some respects I agree with you, but then in that case we cannot moan about high prices and not being able to buy off the shelf. We cannot have it both ways.

 

[xPETEZx]

That's all very well and good and in some respects I agree with you, but then in that case we cannot moan about high prices and not being able to buy off the shelf. We cannot have it both ways.

I think that is an unfortunate side affect yes. But if we allow manufactures to dictate use like this, where does it end?

To take the argument to ridiculous level....what if nVidida limited cards to specific games? "oh you want to play the latest CoD, you need the RTX6080 CoD, otherwise framerate limited by 50%"

What im trying to say is...today that limit might be something we can all get behind. I think cards being used for mining is terrible (waste of cards, electric etc) but what if the next day its not?
What if its video encoding next? or some other 'normal' use?

 

[Minstadave]

Yea sorry it’s not ideal for people who have 10 cards, that’s what I mean to say. Not many people are gonna stock up on 3060s non ti.

You seem to not know about the additional requirement for it to work, when using either multiple cards or hive os.

It is more fiddly with multiple cards to be fair. They each need a 16x PCI-E 3.0 riser and dummy HDMI for the hacked driver to work. But that's not difficult and is being done:

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-successfully-used-in-7-way-mining-rig

I've not used Hive OS so I'm ignorant on that front.

 

[BlueInf]

I think that is an unfortunate side affect yes. But if we allow manufactures to dictate use like this, where does it end?

To take the argument to ridiculous level....what if nVidida limited cards to specific games? "oh you want to play the latest CoD, you need the RTX6080 CoD, otherwise framerate limited by 50%"

What im trying to say is...today that limit might be something we can all get behind. I think cards being used for mining is terrible (waste of cards, electric etc) but what if the next day its not?
What if its video encoding next? or some other 'normal' use?

I think your comment is fair, but we can only take things one step at a time.

 

[BlueInf]

It is more fiddly with multiple cards to be fair. They each need a 16x PCI-E 3.0 riser and dummy HDMI for the hacked driver to work. But that's not difficult and is being done:

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-successfully-used-in-7-way-mining-rig

I've not used Hive OS so I'm ignorant on that front.

HiveOS is a Linux distro dedicated to mining. If you have multiple rigs, it becomes annoying to set them up in windows. So big miners will generally use Hive OS.

Nvidia has not leaked a Linux driver, HiveOS users will usually either avoid 3060s or mine something else less profitable.

I think that’s part of the reason that 3060s are a lot easier to get (this and the fact that they are significantly worse than a 3070 and 3060ti for many types of gaming)

 

[HRL]

I think that is an unfortunate side affect yes. But if we allow manufactures to dictate use like this, where does it end?

To take the argument to ridiculous level....what if nVidida limited cards to specific games? "oh you want to play the latest CoD, you need the RTX6080 CoD, otherwise framerate limited by 50%"

What im trying to say is...today that limit might be something we can all get behind. I think cards being used for mining is terrible (waste of cards, electric etc) but what if the next day its not?
What if its video encoding next? or some other 'normal' use?

The day they restrict graphics cards for their graphics usage is the day I sell up.

Can’t ever see that happening TBH. It’s as likely as Ford selling you a car that you can’t drive, no point at all.

 

[varkanoid]

I am not a fan of limiters on specific workloads. Firstly cause I dont think its the manufactures place to dictate what you do with there product, and secondly because I dont think it works.
These things will be worked around.

What if car manufacture stated you could use your car as a taxi? And somehow came up with a way to "block" that? Or you cant use it off-road?

In my eyes the manufacture should build the device and state its intended use. Then they can possibly reject warranty claims for proven misuse. (IE driving off-road all the time and cracking the oil sump in the car example...)

I think that is an unfortunate side affect yes. But if we allow manufactures to dictate use like this, where does it end?

To take the argument to ridiculous level....what if nVidida limited cards to specific games? "oh you want to play the latest CoD, you need the RTX6080 CoD, otherwise framerate limited by 50%"

What im trying to say is...today that limit might be something we can all get behind. I think cards being used for mining is terrible (waste of cards, electric etc) but what if the next day its not?
What if its video encoding next? or some other 'normal' use?

Nvidia have listened to people asking for something to be done about miners buying cards so they have done it you cant really blame them or have a go when they have listened to consumers and what they want. Whether its successful or not is another arguement but at least they have tried.

Also think about it with a car you can go in now to a saleroom and buy one. You cant do the same to a GPU. Its only been done because there is a GPU shortage. It wouldnt apply to games either as they would be limiting sales so thats not really a good analogy even at a ridiculous level.

Same with any other block it would increase the number of "models" and restrict sales thats way too much a headache for Nvidia and right down through the supply chain it will never happen.

 

[xPETEZx]

Nvidia have listened to people asking for something to be done about miners buying cards so they have done it you cant really blame them or have a go when they have listened to consumers and what they want. Whether its successful or not is another arguement but at least they have tried.

Also think about it with a car you can go in now to a saleroom and buy one. You cant do the same to a GPU. Its only been done because there is a GPU shortage. It wouldnt apply to games either as they would be limiting sales so thats not really a good analogy even at a ridiculous level.

Same with any other block it would increase the number of "models" and restrict sales thats way too much a headache for Nvidia and right down through the supply chain.

Actually the chip shortage is affecting cars... so who knows if this went on long enough maybe you couldnt just walk in and buy a car.

And my ridiculous example might sound that way now. But what if over the years, other 'uses' for these cards are deemed just as bad as mining is?
And people 'cry out' for something to be done?

Lets take another silly idea.... what if card supply was extremely low, and everybody is playing CoD, buying all the cards they can to play this game.
Gamers of other games cant get a card, so ask for specific only "CoD cards" to work for CoD. Others cards to be limted when CoD is detected.
Its a totally silly situation, but my point is once you start being OK with manufactures limiting certain workloads, it sets the precedent that consumers are ok with this.


As I said, Id sure love for mining on GPUs to be a think of the past too. I just dont think this is the way we are going to get there. For one, I think it wont be long till a work around is found, and for two another crypto will be along to take ETHs place...

 

[daman2k]

Nvidia is not helping anyone. All they have done is sold people a card that you can't mine on for personal use to make some money back, so that they can sell expensive mining cards and make even more money.

 

[BlueInf]

Nvidia is not helping anyone. All they have done is sold people a card that you can't mine on for personal use to make some money back, so that they can sell expensive mining cards and make even more money.

I think the real reason for them to do this is to prevent the flooding of second hand cards if the bubble pops.

Gamers are more likely to hold onto cards or skip a generation. Crypto will get rid of cards fairly quickly if not profitable.

Nvidia will sell probably all the cards regardless of limiters, but the 4xxx series might be a bit hurt if there is a massive supply for 3xxx for cheap.

 

[Minstadave]

Nvidia is not helping anyone. All they have done is sold people a card that you can't mine on for personal use to make some money back, so that they can sell expensive mining cards and make even more money.

Absolutely.