Ethernet plugs

Rage85 · 28 May 2021 at 19:27

Kids playing fortnite upstairs using the wifi, would ethernet plugs give them a better connection?

WJA96 · 28 May 2021 at 19:50

Rage1999 said:
Kids playing fortnite upstairs using the wifi, would ethernet plugs give them a better connection?

If you spend enough, maybe. The cheaper ones can be pretty limited.

Rage85 · 28 May 2021 at 20:03

Which ones are decent do you know?

The1nonly1 · 30 May 2021 at 08:31

I used to use tp-link, the av1300 model and was getting around 600 Mbps through them. The speed you get will never be the advertised speed and will see depend on the quality of you electrical cable and the distance.

Avalon · 31 May 2021 at 10:55

The1nonly1 said:
I used to use tp-link, the av1300 model and was getting around 600 Mbps through them. The speed you get will never be the advertised speed and will see depend on the quality of you electrical cable and the distance.

Given powerline quotes full duplex, the maximum a 1300 rated product is theoretically capable of is 650Mbit each way (ignoring the bridge chipset is only rated for gigabit and so is your NIC), you would be the first documented example I have ever seen of anyone being able to achieve 92% efficiency from powerline, heck even plugging two units into a double socket has never yielded losses that low.

What it might do is give you 600Mbit full duplex, or 300Mbit in conventional terms.

The1nonly1 · 31 May 2021 at 17:26

Avalon said:
Given powerline quotes full duplex, the maximum a 1300 rated product is theoretically capable of is 650Mbit each way (ignoring the bridge chipset is only rated for gigabit and so is your NIC), you would be the first documented example I have ever seen of anyone being able to achieve 92% efficiency from powerline, heck even plugging two units into a double socket has never yielded losses that low.

What it might do is give you 600Mbit full duplex, or 300Mbit in conventional terms.

I may have been wrong with what I said (I don't fully understand how they work) and you're probably right with what you said. It was the TP-link App on my PC that gave me those figures when I did use them. It was sometimes less than that though.

Conanius · 1 Jun 2021 at 16:49

I had the TP-Link AV2000 plugs. They were a great stop gap prior to an ethernet run being put in.

The app was showing me ~900mbit sync speed, so - roughly - 450 ish mbit each way.

Our home internet was VMG 500mbit at the time, so real world it wasn't a limiting factor.

Zefan · 1 Jun 2021 at 16:52

Although I appreciate the chat ref: powerline adapters and their bandwidth, is that really what @Rage1999 is asking?

What problem are you trying to solve exactly? From your opening post, I imagine you're probably more concerned with latency/range/dropouts than the time taken to download updates, is that right?

Avalon · 1 Jun 2021 at 20:17

Zefan said:
Although I appreciate the chat ref: powerline adapters and their bandwidth, is that really what @Rage1999 is asking?

What problem are you trying to solve exactly? From your opening post, I imagine you're probably more concerned with latency/range/dropouts than the time taken to download updates, is that right?

The advice offered - while obviously well intentioned - made performance claims that were frankly impossible in the real world. Would you prefer op to buy something expecting 600Mbit symmetrical and then wonder why nobody pointed out that zero chance of that happening and the best they could hope for is half that? Admittedly if op is only bothered about LAN-WAN performance and has FTTC or worse, it’s not likely to be an significant issue, but as we don’t know from this thread what op has and near gigabit speeds become available to more people by the day it seems like a point that is relevant and that’s before we get to the risk of interference affecting the line, quality of wiring, extensions/spurs and jumping breakers.

Zefan · 1 Jun 2021 at 20:24

Avalon said:
The advice offered - while obviously well intentioned - made performance claims that were frankly impossible in the real world. Would you prefer op to buy something expecting 600Mbit symmetrical and then wonder why nobody pointed out that zero chance of that happening and the best they could hope for is half that? Admittedly if op is only bothered about LAN-WAN performance and has FTTC or worse, it’s not likely to be an significant issue, but as we don’t know from this thread what op has and near gigabit speeds become available to more people by the day it seems like a point that is relevant and that’s before we get to the risk of interference affecting the line, quality of wiring, extensions/spurs and jumping breakers.

I'm not picking on you or anyone, just saying that although I appreciate that it's a valid discussion ref: powerlines, it might not be relevant to the problem at hand at all