Tories lost the 2019 election among working age adults
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Rather than suggesting its bad that older people are getting who they voted for, perhaps you should be asking whether it's bad that younger voters can't be bothered enough to vote. This seems to be a young person problem, not an old person problem.
Yeah I mentioned that a few pages back, they just want to discount the votes of anyone who voted differently to them because only they are right and everyone else is wrong and it's just soooo unfair
but they're just hiding that opinion behind the artifice of "old peoples votes shouldn't count" rather than being more honest about their real end goals.Deleted User 298457
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And, as it might help to illustrate this is not coming from any particular position of self interest, I'll include that I'm a professional (Accountant), not a high flyer but earn reasonable money (higher rate tax payer), married with 2 kids, own a house worth close to double the local average with a mortgage that will be paid off in my early 50s, and was brought up substantially in a council house to parents who have never been in a position to provide financial assistance.
I was pretty fortunate to be just about old enough to start a career and buy a house in advance of the 2008 crash. The picture has gotten rapidly worse for young people since.
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It cannot be stressed enough that the OP's "data" is a slanted view since it provides percentages but only of those who voted. As has been said over and over, the reason why the grey vote is so powerful is simply because the young vote doesn't bother. The young voter seems to prefer to not bother to vote but then to whinge about the result.
The kind of argument that says older people shouldn't be able to outweigh the "workers" is exactly what's being used in the US by the Republicans to make it harder for PoC to vote because they tend to vote Democrat. There is no justification for any "refinement" to a one person, one vote system. It may have its flaws but it's better than any other system.
The kind of argument that says older people shouldn't be able to outweigh the "workers" is exactly what's being used in the US by the Republicans to make it harder for PoC to vote because they tend to vote Democrat. There is no justification for any "refinement" to a one person, one vote system. It may have its flaws but it's better than any other system.
You created the young people, ergo, it is still an old person problem.
Gotcha!
Labour will not get into power for another generation under the current system. If however they were to champion and support PR however, I think it just might happen.
Thing is, now that UKIP are dead there is a focus point for anyone with conservative ideals (or outright full right wing) as there is no alternative. Labour are sharing voters with the Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru and split all over the place - these voters would vote for Labour if the choice was Tory v Labour or nothing.
Thing is, now that UKIP are dead there is a focus point for anyone with conservative ideals (or outright full right wing) as there is no alternative. Labour are sharing voters with the Lib Dems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru and split all over the place - these voters would vote for Labour if the choice was Tory v Labour or nothing.
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" I'm not a Labour voter, but I have voted for them twice in my 20 years of voting. 2017 and 2019. I'm not going to vote for a Labour party positioned to the right of the Tories. "
I wonder whos words they are?
I wonder whos words they are?
Mine. What's your point?" I'm not a Labour voter, but I have voted for them twice in my 20 years of voting. 2017 and 2019. I'm not going to vote for a Labour party positioned to the right of the Tories. "
I wonder whos words they are?
I have no loyalty to Labour. I'll vote for whoever comes closest to my ideals. Right now, Labour don't. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't be equally critical if the same voting pattern as in the OP happened again.
Most constituencies are 60 to 70k in size and most are won with a few thousand vote majority. Labour probably have as many safe seats as the Tories do. The issue here is that we oldies go out to vote, Labour oldies as well as tory oldies. Not so many Lib Dem oldies as they tend to be the hemp smoking technical college ones who have defected either way.
Labour need to mobilise the 70% turnout of the older generation in the young if that is who they are targeting.
Labour need to mobilise the 70% turnout of the older generation in the young if that is who they are targeting.
This idea is a distraction. The current old also didn't vote much when they were young. It's a reflection on stages of life, rather than any particular new apathy for the latest generations.
They, of course, were a huge demographic, with a tiny retired cohort ahead of them. So their votes always mattered as a group.
The very fact most of you voted and Support the Tories is worrying indeed
How many times will you accept being lied to your face, shafted over and over again, and left with services in the gutter while all their mates run of with contacts for tickyeboo BS
And you actually argue over it? Comical
How many times will you accept being lied to your face, shafted over and over again, and left with services in the gutter while all their mates run of with contacts for tickyeboo BS
And you actually argue over it? Comical
Personally I have voted in every general election since 1974 excluding 1979 as I was away working in Spain, and most people I know voted at least in the general elections.
45% is a pathetic response to probably the one public duty that anybody will do this or any other year when asked.
45% is a pathetic response to probably the one public duty that anybody will do this or any other year when asked.
Not sure about you but my experience of labour was them lying and taking us into a 20 year war in the middle East? Oh and the "all the moneys gone" note
My experience with the conservatives is, a few nice little savings boosters for new home, tax free alowance rises and generally being left alone?
Yeah its almost as if people look to the older and more experienced when making the decision to take part in major decisions.
From most of the young working class I know they couldn't even name thier candidate.
They literally think they are voting for the priminister like its some American presidential election
They wouldn't, I'm afraid. That's a comforting myth that implies that anyone who is not a Tory is a displaced labour supporter, and it is, and always has been, nonsense.
Champagne socialists are better then are they? It has been a long, long time since Labour actually fought for the average working person. If Labour were any better I would vote for them. But they have been utterly unelectable recently.