23mph in 20 zone :(

I'd suggest that's you more than anything else, if it's so difficult buy a car with an auto limiter.
Also can't think of a single car that's not happy at 20mph in 3rd gear, even my old Rx8 would be fine.

Pretty sure the limiter on mine won't engage below 25 or 28 MPH can't remember which.

EDIT: Actually 20 MPH minimum for the limiter it is the cruise control that won't engage below 28.
 
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But having to stick to such a low limit is a big distraction. 20mph in some cars is barely resting on the accelerator in 2nd gear. You have to watch the speedo instead of the road.

Every car I’ve had in the last 5 years has a speed limiter function, I just set that to 20 mph and then I’m sorted. Yes it’s frustrating on occasion but it is what it is.
 
Every car I’ve had in the last 5 years has a speed limiter function, I just set that to 20 mph and then I’m sorted. Yes it’s frustrating on occasion but it is what it is.

Every vehicle bar one I've driven with a limiter is a bit of a faf unless you use it regularly taking your attention from the road to set it.
 
I manage 20 in 3rd in a m3 with no issues (does feel like I'm the only one sometimes, so a mundane car should be fine:D. As an aside it's my estate and they don't have cameras but I still stick to it, I save my speeding for fast roads with no kids.
 
It's a fair cop and you should have no complaints. If you don't want it to ever happen again, then drive at 20 in a 20, because that's what you're supposed to be doing.
 
Must be a great way to raise revenue, sorry I mean improve safety. Even the slowest drivers I've sat with generally do 25 in 20 zones.


Vans are paid for by the local council, fines go to central government. How does this become a money spinner? They are there because the locals have complained about speeding. Which the OP was doing.
 
Every vehicle bar one I've driven with a limiter is a bit of a faf unless you use it regularly taking your attention from the road to set it.

What?

Never driven a car where the limiter isn't a button on the wheel you don't take your eyes off the road to use.
 
Does the common 10% +2 rule apply in 20mph zones?

As far as I’m aware, that’s not a rule for any road.

Typically speedos over report speed, hence why in the driving test you’re told to ignore the speed given by the sat nav they use.

Newer cars with digital speedos, I have found, don’t tend to do this.
 
I've not seen a car which didn't over-read slightly. Accurate speed measuring equipment is really expensive and I suppose manufacturers don't want to splash out on it.
 
Vans are paid for by the local council, fines go to central government. How does this become a money spinner? They are there because the locals have complained about speeding. Which the OP was doing.

It’s a money spinner for central government, obviously. I’m not saying it’s some kind of conspiracy, but someone somewhere is obviously making a decent amount of money, intentionally or not.

In terms of the locals, that always makes me laugh because whenever these schemes are introduced, the first people to get caught are usually the ones complaining about speeding in the first place. Such people are normally the types that drive at 35 everywhere and then complain about “lunatics” overtaking them at 50-60 in an NSL.

If you’ve ever actually tried to drive at 20 for an extended period of time, you’ll notice that it’s very, very slow. Most normal drivers slow to 20 when there’s an obvious hazard, then continue at 30, but a lot of councils seem to want to install blanket 20 limits to appease professional complainers.
 
It’s a money spinner for central government, obviously. I’m not saying it’s some kind of conspiracy, but someone somewhere is obviously making a decent amount of money, intentionally or not.

In terms of the locals, that always makes me laugh because whenever these schemes are introduced, the first people to get caught are usually the ones complaining about speeding in the first place. Such people are normally the types that drive at 35 everywhere and then complain about “lunatics” overtaking them at 50-60 in an NSL.

If you’ve ever actually tried to drive at 20 for an extended period of time, you’ll notice that it’s very, very slow. Most normal drivers slow to 20 when there’s an obvious hazard, then continue at 30, but a lot of councils seem to want to install blanket 20 limits to appease professional complainers.
20 is slow that’s the whole point I’d if you hit someone they live! The area I live in is all 20mph and I just drive that speed until I hit the main roads then I obey the limits on those roads. Anyone who finds it impossible to look away From the Speedo and maintain 20mph shouldn’t be driving. If you don’t want Ticket don’t speed it really is simple to do!
 
As far as I’m aware, that’s not a rule for any road.

Typically speedos over report speed, hence why in the driving test you’re told to ignore the speed given by the sat nav they use.

Newer cars with digital speedos, I have found, don’t tend to do this.

It's the guidance set out by the NPCC. I think it's still up to the individual constabulary, but I think most tend to follow it. I seem to remember a few years ago I looked to see if mine did, and they had a table on their website listing tolerances...typically I can't find it now, but I found the general guidelines below.

Q3) Are there any guidelines as to when the police should issue a Fixed Penalty Notice or prosecute drivers driving over the speed limit?

A3) The law is the law and police forces have the right to penalise anyone who is breaking the speed limit. However, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) previously quoted the following guidance from the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) (now superseded by The National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC)), though that guidance is no longer available either on the CPS website nor is it on the NPCC website.

The revised speed enforcement policy guidance issued by ACPO in 2013 suggests that enforcement will normally occur when a driver exceeds the speed limit by a particular margin. The particular margin is normally 10 per cent over the speed limit plus 2 mph. The guidance sets guidelines for when it would be appropriate to issue a fixed penalty notice or for the driver to attend a speed awareness course, and when it becomes appropriate to issue a summons. These are guidelines only and a police officer has discretion to act outside of them providing he acts fairly, consistently and proportionately.

In summary the guidelines are:

Speed limit: 20 mph
ACPO threshold for:
a fixed penalty or a Speed Awareness course: 24 mph
summoning: 35 mph.....

From Q3 on this page:
https://www.racfoundation.org/motoring-faqs/enforcement#a3
 
Of course the easy answer to not filling up whoever's coffers is to NOT speed.
If only every could use a semblance of self control for a few months, speed cameras would soon disappear without the funding to keep them running.
After that, the odd "spot of fun", might be viable.
 
My cars over 10 years old and it has a limiter that you can activate in 1 click from the wheel. Really useful when you are on unfamiliar roads or 20mph roads where you are effectively at idle revs in 3rd.
 
What?

Never driven a car where the limiter isn't a button on the wheel you don't take your eyes off the road to use.

If I used it more regularly would probably be a different matter - but I only use it once in a blue moon and it is slightly different buttons layout and/or side of the steering wheel and order of operation i.e. one has a separate set button another you use the +/- rocker downwards (or upwards I forget) to set in another you press the +/- rocker inwards to set, etc. depending on the vehicle - I don't have it down by practise.

My cars over 10 years old and it has a limiter that you can activate in 1 click from the wheel. Really useful when you are on unfamiliar roads or 20mph roads where you are effectively at idle revs in 3rd.

I can't remember what it was - I had a hire car a few years back where it was really simple 1 button operation and completely intuitive to use. On my Navara for instance there isn't a specific set button and you have to remember which way to use the adjuster rocker to set. On the Tiguan it is like a multi-way moulded button which is a bit vague to use without looking at it.
 
20 is slow that’s the whole point I’d if you hit someone they live! The area I live in is all 20mph and I just drive that speed until I hit the main roads then I obey the limits on those roads. Anyone who finds it impossible to look away From the Speedo and maintain 20mph shouldn’t be driving. If you don’t want Ticket don’t speed it really is simple to do!

I don’t find it impossible, I just find it stupid. There’s certain areas where I’ll do 20 due to poor visibility or obvious hazards, and others where I’ll do 30 when you’re supposed to do 20 because the council decided it was easier to make the entire area 20 due to some OAPs with nothing better to do.

Never had a ticket, and I’ll continue to happily ignore 20 limits as I have done since I passed my test 10 years ago.
 
I don’t find it impossible, I just find it stupid. There’s certain areas where I’ll do 20 due to poor visibility or obvious hazards, and others where I’ll do 30 when you’re supposed to do 20 because the council decided it was easier to make the entire area 20 due to some OAPs with nothing better to do.

Never had a ticket, and I’ll continue to happily ignore 20 limits as I have done since I passed my test 10 years ago.
Is it only 20’s where you just make your own rules? I could list dozens of roads with 50 limits that can be safely driven at 70 and 30’s on roads the could be 50 but the law dictates they are not.
 
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