23mph in 20 zone :(

Conscript said:
It's the guidance set out by the NPCC. I think it's still up to the individual constabulary, but I think most tend to follow it. I seem to remember a few years ago I looked to see if mine did, and they had a table on their website listing tolerances...typically I can't find it now, but I found the general guidelines below.



From Q3 on this page:
https://www.racfoundation.org/motoring-faqs/enforcement#a3
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Maybe I'll get offered the speed awareness course. I wish there was simply a 30mph zero tolerance approach, then at least we can get around without being overtaken by pushbikes.

I know I'm a child killing menace breaking a 20 zone, but seriously, what's next?

10mph zones?

Edit: if Bob Russell gets his way it'll be 10mph!

https://www.brake.org.uk/how-we-hel...for-10mph-limits-in-certain-residential-areas
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
If you're unable to actually keep to a speed limit, you sure that you're safe to drive on the road?

Expanding on the above. If you can't manage to maintain a constant speed unless you stop looking around you, then you have no spacial awareness and are a danger to other road users. If you're saying that you can't keep to the speed limit if you look around, then by default, you'd almost certainly fail any driving test, and really aren't fit to be driving.
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Indeed. It’s really not that hard to stick to or below, speed limits.
 
I'm surprised there isn't a warrant for your arrest to be honest.

Good thing the holier than thou ocuk forum brigade are out in force to let you know you just how much of a rampaging homicidal maniac you are, and how you should give up your driving license for having the NERVE to break a speed limit... Something they have definitely never ever done, ever, probably, ever.
 
It is different in various Police areas. I think most use the 10% +2 rule.

i was doing 41 through a 30 and had to pay £95 to do a speed course on teams that lasted about 2.5 hours
 
Temujin said:
I'm surprised there isn't a warrant for your arrest to be honest.

Good thing the holier than thou ocuk forum brigade are out in force to let you know you just how much of a rampaging homicidal maniac you are, and how you should give up your driving license for having the NERVE to break a speed limit... Something they have definitely never ever done, ever, probably, ever.
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I think overlapping different average speed camera zones will be next, just to test our mathematics skills whilst trying to be 'safe'. Driving up the M56 onto A55 north wales at the moment is a challenge of concentration. Mind you, if it improves balance sheets, er, I mean reduces accidents, what's not to like?
 
bainbridge said:
Maybe I'll get offered the speed awareness course.
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I'm not aware of any forces that offer driver awareness courses for 20mph zones.

Greebo said:
week it’s only guidance and not the law and in Scotland the police have said they don’t follow it at all

https://www.roadlawbarristers.co.uk/speeding-what-is-the-10-plus-2-rule-and-what-does-it-mean/
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Police Scotland also don't do driver awareness courses, it's straight tickets.

Also, that link has dubious reliability. For example:

What is important, however, is the column of device tolerance figures in the table above. All the police need to do to convict you for speeding is prove beyond reasonable doubt that you have exceeded the speed limit. However, given that the speed guns used by the police have a tolerance of +/- 2mph (or +/- 3% for speeds over 66mph), it is doubtful that they would be able to convince a court that a recorded speed of 31mph (for example) is a truly accurate reading: the driver in this example could actually have been driving at 29mph, which is clearly within the speed limit.
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The speed gun I use has a tolerance of 1/- 1 mph and the calibration certificates show that it's usually only off by 0.1 -0.2 mph when it gets checked annually, and that's when it's off at all. The figures quoted are minimum tolerances, and are not necessarily reflective of the equipment used.

Greebo said:
the 10% allowance has been dropped by the police hasn’t it now? 21 will get you a ticket
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No. 10%+2 is still standard although some forces allow police officers to ticket below this threshold, but camera vans and static cameras still abide by it. My force won't run any ticket below the threshold even if issued by a police officer.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Is it only 20’s where you just make your own rules? I could list dozens of roads with 50 limits that can be safely driven at 70 and 30’s on roads the could be 50 but the law dictates they are not.
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No, but I’d say 20s are the ones I most often ignore. The majority of 30s seem fair enough for example, with the exception of a few London dual carriageways.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I'm not aware of any forces that offer driver awareness courses for 20mph zones.



Police Scotland also don't do driver awareness courses, it's straight tickets.

Also, that link has dubious reliability. For example:



The speed gun I use has a tolerance of 1/- 1 mph and the calibration certificates show that it's usually only off by 0.1 -0.2 mph when it gets checked annually, and that's when it's off at all. The figures quoted are minimum tolerances, and are not necessarily reflective of the equipment used.



No. 10%+2 is still standard although some forces allow police officers to ticket below this threshold, but camera vans and static cameras still abide by it. My force won't run any ticket below the threshold even if issued by a police officer.
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Problem with the mobiles ones is you can't really compensate for cars approching on a slight angle or slope. The greater the distance the more it will be off. It's probably why they keep the margin for error.
 
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Temujin said:
I'm surprised there isn't a warrant for your arrest to be honest.

Good thing the holier than thou ocuk forum brigade are out in force to let you know you just how much of a rampaging homicidal maniac you are, and how you should give up your driving license for having the NERVE to break a speed limit... Something they have definitely never ever done, ever, probably, ever.
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I don’t think anyone credible has said that and you have just made something up. Either that or your reading comprehension is terrible.

Plenty of people have pointed out how dangerous the people in this thread are who claim that they can’t do the simple task of maintaining a 20mph speed limit without impacting their concentration on the road, which is pathetic and should mean they should hand their driver licence in until they learn to control a vehicle. If you don’t have the basic skill to drive, you shouldn’t be on the road, and that’s coming from someone who can stick to 20mph in a 20 with no issues, but sometimes chooses not to and speeds regularly.
 
hurfdurf said:
I don’t think anyone credible has said that and you have just made something up. Either that or your reading comprehension is terrible.

Plenty of people have pointed out how dangerous the people in this thread are who claim that they can’t do the simple task of maintaining a 20mph speed limit without impacting their concentration on the road, which is pathetic and should mean they should hand their driver licence in until they learn to control a vehicle. If you don’t have the basic skill to drive, you shouldn’t be on the road, and that’s coming from someone who can stick to 20mph in a 20 with no issues, but sometimes chooses not to and speeds regularly.
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Exactly and it is hardly holier than thou to say if you don’t want a ticket don’t speed it is not exactly difficult unless you are one of the terrible drivers in this thread that have to stare at the Speedo continuously!
 
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