How much WILL you pay for a graphics card?

[SirPsychoZe0]

I paid £935 for my 3080 this week and sold my 2080 Super for £435 yesterday. For me, I had always budgeted spending £100 per 10% performance increment. So the 3080 cost me £500 net for an avg. 50% performance increase, so I'm happy with that. This is what I was going to pay had the cards been available at MSRP because of the lower resale price of the 2080 Super at Sept 2020 before prices/stock levels went crazy.

 

[The_Arbiter]

Still think that when the 40 series arrives Nvidia has already tested the water and seen what profits Scalpers have made that they will push up prices.

Not convinced. They will need to artificially force GPU shortage to create the same shortages we've seen from the previous problem that was mixture of issues and not just one, which will only cost them sales in the long run if AMD pump out higher supplies, also consoles will eat into Nvidia sales too. And i'm sure Nvidia are well aware of Intel wanting to jump into the market at some point. At the top end ~3090, sure Nvidia will probably opt for higher price, but it's the flagship and we saw that with the 2080ti.

Looking at recent Steam survey, there's growth in APU users, so i'm going to presume these are people who are waiting. Declines in 1060 and rx580, these are people who have now upgraded, but they won't upgrade at the next gen. I imagine those on low end have bought from the second hand market. We can see stock is readily available now for newest gen also. However this is all speculative based off stock and steam survey, so others will derive other opinions from that.

 

[XBloodyR]

Not convinced. They will need to artificially force GPU shortage to create the same shortages we've seen from the previous problem that was mixture of issues and not just one, which will only cost them sales in the long run if AMD pump out higher supplies, also consoles will eat into Nvidia sales too. And i'm sure Nvidia are well aware of Intel wanting to jump into the market at some point. At the top end ~3090, sure Nvidia will probably opt for higher price, but it's the flagship and we saw that with the 2080ti.

Looking at recent Steam survey, there's growth in APU users, so i'm going to presume these are people who are waiting. Declines in 1060 and rx580, these are people who have now upgraded, but they won't upgrade at the next gen. I imagine those on low end have bought from the second hand market. We can see stock is readily available now for newest gen also. However this is all speculative based off stock and steam survey, so others will derive other opinions from that.

True unless Nvidia and AMD both keep the prices up I don't see just one of them getting away with it.

 

[ASMB]

but that doesn't work either because no way in hell someone is gonna sell you a 2nd hand GPU costing upwards of £1.5k for anything resembling good value. So to your analogy its a little like buying a 2nd hand Tesla when the batteries are shagged and the car can only do 50mph for 100miles.

It should bother you because it raises prices across the board, not just the top tier.

Even if you are fortunate enough to throw tons of money on PC hardware its still a bad thing because:
a) You'll be upgrading next gen to get the perf you should (could) have got for the price you paid
b) as GPU prices rise the hardware compatibility thins out less and less development goes into the high-end features
c) the price you pay next gen goes up

so all that happens is you pay more for less return over time

Even the RTX 3080 @MSRP £650 only looks good cos the Turing generation was so dreadfully bad, that's still a very expensive bit of hardware with massive margins going to Nvidia and AIBs.

If you think that people don't sell their flagship card, https://youtu.be/-kJJu38uCGg
Currently the second hand chain has a number of 2080ti in stock that you could trade in your old gpu against, even in todays market you can buy a last gen flagship card for less than it was new, so its clearly depreciated

 

[KeanuIsLife]

I paid £935 for my 3080 this week and sold my 2080 Super for £435 yesterday. For me, I had always budgeted spending £100 per 10% performance increment. So the 3080 cost me £500 net for an avg. 50% performance increase, so I'm happy with that. This is what I was going to pay had the cards been available at MSRP because of the lower resale price of the 2080 Super at Sept 2020 before prices/stock levels went crazy.

True unless Nvidia and AMD both keep the prices up I don't see just one of them getting away with it.

Yeah, they probably both will jack up prices that's the problem. We can pray that one will try and be competitive but with both at similar performance levels or if AMD gets the upper hand next gen I highly doubt they'll be conservative with that pricing

 

[dave28]

Yeah, they probably both will jack up prices that's the problem. We can pray that one will try and be competitive but with both at similar performance levels or if AMD gets the upper hand next gen I highly doubt they'll be conservative with that pricing

if intel can release something with mid range performance and undercut an overpricing AMD / Nvidia then i will go for that

 

[kmetek]

Having 1060 + overpriced GPU's in my country it's hard to get cheap and decent upgrade

 

[dave28]

Having 1060 + overpriced GPU's in my country it's hard to get cheap and decent upgrade

no such thing as cheap in gaming anymore, its expensive all over the world

 

[KeanuIsLife]

if intel can release something with mid range performance and undercut an overpricing AMD / Nvidia then i will go for that

True the hope is that intel can come in swinging with a killer price/performance GPU that can give the others a run for their money. This will give them the trust of the pc gaming crowd in the GPU space. They are not known to keep their products well priced in the CPU space though so that's a big unknown at the moment

 

[XBloodyR]

True the hope is that intel can come in swinging with a killer price/performance GPU that can give the others a run for their money. This will give them the trust of the pc gaming crowd in the GPU space. They are not known to keep their products well priced in the CPU space though so that's a big unknown at the moment

I think they have no other choice when entering this market, same as AMD did at first.

 

[KeanuIsLife]

I think they have no other choice when entering this market, same as AMD did at first.

No choice unless the whole rest of the market is still having stock issues.....so if they're the only choice they can charge whatever they want

 

[BigBANGtheory]

If you think that people don't sell their flagship card, https://youtu.be/-kJJu38uCGg
Currently the second hand chain has a number of 2080ti in stock that you could trade in your old gpu against, even in todays market you can buy a last gen flagship card for less than it was new, so its clearly depreciated

I didn't say they wouldn't sell them, nor that the value wouldn't be depreciated my point was they would sell them at price point that represents very poor value unless you happen to know the seller. Therefore the 2nd hand market is effected by the pricing of high end tier GPUs before you even consider potential warranty issues on something that can't really be fixed if it goes wrong, a major issue if ur laying out a lot of money for one.

 

[TheReflex]

I used to tell myself my absolute maximum would be around the 1250 mark for a 3080TI, but then I saw that KFA2 3080TI Hall of Fame OC has on sale at the moment and just couldn't resist.

 

[ASMB]

I didn't say they wouldn't sell them, nor that the value wouldn't be depreciated my point was they would sell them at price point that represents very poor value unless you happen to know the seller. Therefore the 2nd hand market is effected by the pricing of high end tier GPUs before you even consider potential warranty issues on something that can't really be fixed if it goes wrong, a major issue if ur laying out a lot of money for one.

The main auction site shows sold 2080ti so there are clearly people that disagree with you and have decided to buy a second hand previous gen flagship gpu.

 

[pooley]

The main auction site shows sold 2080ti so there are clearly people that disagree with you and have decided to buy a second hand previous gen flagship gpu.

the point BBT is making afaik is that the higher the price the 'flagship' gpu's are higher they resell for! that is his point you do not seem not to grasp..

 

[ASMB]

the point BBT is making afaik is that the higher the price the 'flagship' gpu's are higher they resell for! that is his point you do not seem not to grasp..

You can't grasp that some Nvidia and AMD flagship graphic cards end up being sold second hand giving people the chance to buy them, whether they think the price is reasonable is for the buyer to decide. If people don't thing that AMD or Nvidia should produce a flagship card then at what point should the ceiling be drawn? Perhaps there should be no gpu at all and all graphics should be what is sold in the same package as the cpu?

 

[pooley]

You can't grasp that some Nvidia and AMD flagship graphic cards end up being sold second hand giving people the chance to buy them, whether they think the price is reasonable is for the buyer to decide. If people don't thing that AMD or Nvidia should produce a flagship card then at what point should the ceiling be drawn? Perhaps there should be no gpu at all and all graphics should be what is sold in the same package as the cpu?

i have bought plenty second hand cards, the higher the original price the higher the resell price the seller is going to ask for, it's that's simple.. the rest you typed is irrelevant

 

[ASMB]

Sorry you can't grasp the idea of capitalism in regards to supply and demand. Having a choice to buy a flagship gpu at a price doesn't mean people have to pay that price, I decided to buy a 6800 rather than a 6900XT even though I could have bought either at the time. However, some of these ex-flagship cards appear on the second hand market and some people like to buy them as they can be better value than a new card, eg I sold a Nvidia 680 for £33, less than a third of the price OCUK were selling a 1030 https://youtu.be/LqC33zFvxzQ?t=68 Is £33 to much to pay for what was the fastest gpu card in the world at the time compared to buying a new card, somebody didn't think so as they bought it!

Sounds like you haven't bought very wisely, a quick check on ebay shows 680s that have sold for cheaper than a new 1030, yet according to you a 680 would be a bad buy as it was a £400 new card v a now £85 plus new 1030 card

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

People buying anything at any price and defending their right to do so,is what lead to this scenario. Companies will only charge as much as they believe they can get away with,even if it means far less sales,but at a higher price. If they can go for easy sales,they will give you the minimum they can get away with. If people want lower prices or more for their money,then be more picky on what you buy. Buying massively above RRP tells the marketing of companies they can charge more. It is no fluke Turing came right after Pascal and the previous mining boom.

The problem is historically gamers,have been all talk and no action in this regard - just look at all the backlash against microtransactions. They are still there.

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Nvidia wouldn't even bother selling the 3090 if only a few people bought them. They'd loose millions considering the investment they spent to make it. They literally sell tons and tons of 3090 cards to very happy customers. The same goes for every tier; scalped 3060, scalped 3060 Ti, scalped 3070, scalped 3070 Ti etc. went to very happy gamers.

People vote with their wallet, they always have and they always will. I was merely a minority when I voted against higher prices by keeping my old GPU. The vote for expensive GPU'S has been won by a landslide if you look at Nvidia's record profits.

Expensive GPUs are here to stay. So well done everybody who bought an expensive GPU. You got exactly what you wanted.