X570 Or B550 Board

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Looking to upgrade my aged Intel system (yes I know theres always something round the corner etc but have the upgrade itch).

Always been an Intel fan but looking at the latest offerings feel AMD might be worth the gamble.

Thinking a 5800x CPU would be the ideal fit for my budget (unless anyone can sway me to the 5900x but what does confuse me is the fact you have a B550 or X570 motherboard to choose from.

Will be used for gaming but only with one GPU and one M.2 so what would you pick? Historically always bought ASUS ROG boards with my Intels.

Thanks all
 
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mickyflinn said:
No not really but if ypu dont need the added features x570 bring then b550 is fine for most people.

X570 lets you run 2 x m2 pcie4 at the same time for fastest data transfer , b550 will allow
1 x m2 pcie4 the rest at pcie3 speed.

X570 tomahawk Wi-Fi is a quality choice if you prefer.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...-am4-ddr4-x570-atx-motherboard-mb-351-ms.html
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Im thinking the following build

MSI Tomahawk X570
AMD Ryzen 7 5800x
Samsung 980 PRO 1TB PCIe 4.0 M.2
NZXT Kraken Z53 240mm AIO Liquid Cooler
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16gb (2x8gb)

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,059.05 (includes shipping: £11.10)​
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Will reuse my 1200w Superflower 80 plus platinum PSU as has been rock solid over the years.
Will have to keep with my EVGA 1080ti also and will most likely try to get the next released GPUs and upgrade then

Any thoughts?
 
Captain Chaos said:
Im thinking the following build

MSI Tomahawk X570
AMD Ryzen 7 5800x
Samsung 980 PRO 1TB PCIe 4.0 M.2
NZXT Kraken Z53 240mm AIO Liquid Cooler
Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16gb (2x8gb)

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,059.05 (includes shipping: £11.10)
​

Will reuse my 1200w Superflower 80 plus platinum PSU as has been rock solid over the years.
Will have to keep with my EVGA 1080ti also and will most likely try to get the next released GPUs and upgrade then

Any thoughts?
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If rgb is your thing cool i like bit of bling but the money saved could buy better cpu.

Example Arctic freezer 2 240mm aio £80
Motherboard aa mentioned b550 above although x570 tomahawk Wi-Fi is good.

Gaming 1080p or 1440p i would pick thd 6 core 5600x over thd 3800x youll get a few more fps but if you can stretch the 5800x would be my preferred choice though the 3800x is not a bad cpu.

M2 drive is overpriced there are cheper m2 pcie4 drives like the western digital sn 850. Pcie4 m2 generally doesn't give you much over pcie3 drive unless your transfering data to one fast drive to another. The western digital sn 550 1tb is £90 a great value option.
 
mickyflinn said:
If rgb is your thing cool i like bit of bling but the money saved could buy better cpu.

Example Arctic freezer 2 240mm aio £80
Motherboard aa mentioned b550 above although x570 tomahawk Wi-Fi is good.

Gaming 1080p or 1440p i would pick thd 6 core 5600x over thd 3800x youll get a few more fps but if you can stretch the 5800x would be my preferred choice though the 3800x is not a bad cpu.

M2 drive is overpriced there are cheper m2 pcie4 drives like the western digital sn 850. Pcie4 m2 generally doesn't give you much over pcie3 drive unless your transfering data to one fast drive to another. The western digital sn 550 1tb is £90 a great value option.
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Will be looking to buy the 5800x not the 3800x

Thanks for the feedback though, much appreciated. May hang fire on the bling AIO as seems a bit expensive for what it is.
 
I've just ordered the msi b550 gaming edge wifi, was pleasantly surprised by the price given the positive reviews I've read
 
Just depends if you want any of the extra features. i got this from here : https://www.build-gaming-computers.com/b550-vs-x570.html

Technically, X570 is the slightly superior chipset, and can offer more overall features, connectivity, and flexibility than a B550 can. That doesn't mean you should buy an X570 over a B550 though, as "high-end" B550 boards can be just as (if not better) than a competing X570. Besides, a good B550 can offer absolutely everything you'd ever need; X570 boards aren't going to offer tangible benefits to most users. If you're curious about the advantages of buying a X570, these are the overall technical differences between the B550 and X570 chipsets:

  • X570 Supports Dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 Slots: B550 motherboards can support multiple M.2 SSDs, but only one of those slots will be PCIe 4.0 compatible (with just one exception; the Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master does have dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots) with the 2nd slot running up to PCIe 3.0 speeds. Certain X570 motherboards do have dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots, but this is an extreme feature that's unnecessary for the majority as the chances you'll be buying a single PCIe Gen4 SSD is quite low these days due to cost (let alone buying 2).
  • X570 Supports Multiple PCIe 4.0 PCIe Slots: On both X570 and B550, the main PCIe x16 slot (full length slot for graphics cards) does support PCIe 4.0. But with secondary PCIe slots, whether full-length x16 slots (for GPU) or smaller x8/x4/x1 slots (for expansion cards), those will be PCIe 3.0 on B550 boards but may be PCIe 4.0 on X570 (depending on the model). Not a biggie as not many people use these extra slots anyway, nor run devices that would benefit from PCIe Gen4 in the first place.
  • X570 Has More PCIe 4.0 Lanes: Not to be confused with the PCIe slots to connect SSDs and GPUs/other cards, X570 has more PCIe 4.0 lanes (as in, connections) available on the CPU, and also uses PCIe 4.0 lanes to link the CPU and the chipset (on B550 this chipset link uses PCIe 3.0 lanes). This essentially means X570 has faster and more flexible Input/Output with multiple connected devices. If you're more advanced and wondering how many more PCIe 4.0 lanes X570 gives you (say if building a SLI/NVLink PC build where lanes can be important), a 3rd gen Ryzen 3000 CPU gives you 24 PCIe 4.0 lanes on the CPU and with a X570 all 24 can be used (16 for GPU, 4 for storage, 4 for chipset link) while 20 can be used with a B550 (16 for GPU, 4 for storage).
  • X570 Can Support 5G and 10G LAN: B550 motherboards only have 1G or 2.5G LAN ports, whereas some X570 boards can include insanely-fast 5G and/or 10G LAN ports. Not an issue for most people though, as 1G LAN is more than fast enough for the majority of situations (gaming included).
  • X570 Supports Ryzen 3000 Series APUs: B550 motherboards do not support the most recent AMD APUs (Ryzen 3 3200G and Ryzen 5 3400G). X570 motherboards do, though that's hardly going to matter to many out there as the chances of combining the high-end X570 platform with a budget APU are slim.
  • X570 Supports Ryzen 2000 CPUs: B550 does not support the previous generation of Ryzen processors (2000 series, ie the 2700X), but X570 does. Again, this won't matter to the far majority who will be pairing an X570 with a new Ryzen 3000 or 5000 processor.
  • X570 Has (Built-in) Onboard Cooling: Almost all X570 motherboards have a small built-in chipset fan to help keep the board cool, whereas B550 boards do not have a chipset fan as they have lower power consumption and generate less heat. If you're wondering what this means exactly, we'll discuss this next.
  • X570 Can Support More SATA and USB 3.2 Gen 2 Ports: How many more depends on the specific model in question, but X570 allows for more of these ports to connect more devices. Like pretty much all of these differences between B550 and X570, this isn't going to matter to most people, but is worth mentioning for certain use cases.
 
Captain Chaos said:
Will be looking to buy the 5800x not the 3800x

Thanks for the feedback though, much appreciated. May hang fire on the bling AIO as seems a bit expensive for what it is.
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Your welcome.

You will need a cooler for the 5800x as it doesnt come with one , what case do you have ?

The Alphenon Brocken 3 is 165 mm tall, virtually silent and has 100% ram clearance or the scythe mugen 5 is 155mm tall are good options.
 
Anyone mention the new revision boards, X570 S. The ones with no Southbridge fan. Think boards are out or due.
 
Just been looking at the X570s (tomahawk), due to release shortly from what I can gather, fanless board with a few upgrades (wifi etc).

Thing is I want to order today.

My current case is a Lian Li Lancool II Mesh RGB
 
Captain Chaos said:
Just been looking at the X570s (tomahawk), due to release shortly from what I can gather, fanless board with a few upgrades (wifi etc).

Thing is I want to order today.

My current case is a Lian Li Lancool II Mesh RGB
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You wont here the chipset fan on the tomahawk and theres been talk of the x570s for ages but still no release.

Brocken 3 fits your case theres also a dual fan black edition which may look better.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sear...a9eb26b1217-1629200599-0-gqNtZGzNAiKjcnBszQ7O
 
Captain Chaos said:
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO Black 16GB (2x8GB) 3600 MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4 Memory Dual Kit= £98.99
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Brand overpriced.
This has the best latencies you can get before price jumping sky high.
Crucial Ballistix 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit= £79.99

There's also cheaper faster latency RGB kit:
Kingston HyperX Fury RGB 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C17 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit= £89.99


For SSD Crucial P5 is at the moment best priced for DRAMless consumer drive.
Crucial P5 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive= £74.99
DRAM-cache having higher end drives start from £40 more.

If you want some extra over PCIe v3, this Team Group is the cheapest PCIe v4 drive.
TeamGroup T-Force Cardea Zero Z440 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 Solid State Drive= £158.99
 
dave28 said:
X570 Supports Dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 Slots: B550 motherboards can support multiple M.2 SSDs, but only one of those slots will be PCIe 4.0 compatible (with just one exception; the Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master does have dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots) with the 2nd slot running up to PCIe 3.0 speeds. Certain X570 motherboards do have dual PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots, but this is an extreme feature that's unnecessary for the majority as the chances you'll be buying a single PCIe Gen4 SSD is quite low these days due to cost (let alone buying 2).
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All X570 boards have two PCIe v4 M.2 slots and can take third with adapter into PCIe slot. (or it's some garbage board)

In B550 boards only way to get more than one PCIe v4 M.2 slot is steal half of the PCIe lanes from graphics card.
 
EsaT said:
All X570 boards have two PCIe v4 M.2 slots and can take third with adapter into PCIe slot. (or it's some garbage board)

In B550 boards only way to get more than one PCIe v4 M.2 slot is steal half of the PCIe lanes from graphics card.
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I think a X570 is the way to go

Good point on the ram so may change to your recommendation also, as I am thinking with a massive air cooler in place you wont see the rgb on the ram anyway.
 
Captain Chaos said:
I think a X570 is the way to go

Good point on the ram so may change to your recommendation also, as I am thinking with a massive air cooler in place you wont see the rgb on the ram anyway.
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Already PCIe v3's ~3,3 GB/s would be enough to fill typical game's memory consumption in seconds.
It's just that most games are crappily made and very few can actually utilize high transfer rates:
https://www.realhardwarereviews.com/silicon-power-us70-1tb-review/11/
(though 24 core Threadripper might have had something to do with results)


Brocken 3 leaves all DIMM slots completely open/visible.
But for cheaper price Crucial is faster in CAS and even more in secondary timings.
Only thing better than it would be 16-16-16 timings Samsung B-die, which is notably more expensive.
 
TEAM GROUP 8PACK EDITION 32GB (2X16GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHZ DUAL CHANNEL KIT
On offer @ 199.99 at mo. Ssmsung b die. If youre after performance with no rgb, this is worth a look.
If you like asus rog boards the asus rog strix b550 e gaming can be had for £136 at mo as asus doing a promo with cashback.
I went b550 in the end for my build... Didnt see much benefit to me paying up for x570 board when b550 boards are so good.
 
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