Stuttering/ frame drops despite fairly good specs?

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Hey all, first off I want to apologize for my lack of general knowledge on hardware related issues, I'm relatively new to the pc gaming field. My problem is stuttering/framedrops/frametime spike issues, I'm running in 1440p 144hz and the framerate starts off good around 100+ like desired depending on what game I throw at it, but overall when something intensive happens (like someone throwing a fire bomb or two in Mordhau, or a big shootout in RDR2) the frames start to dip to and rise up but can't seem to keep it stable. roughly a half hour playing Mordhau gpu temps I have done the following
GPU core temp is around 77c, hot spot is 98c, cpu is 91c (Mordhau 1440p, stock amd cooler)
Disabled PBO (prebuilt manufacturers enabled it even though I had stock cooler)
Updated all drivers via AMD Auto detect
Made sure Ryzen Master was running on the default OC mode
Updated bios
Disabled XMP (and setting different memory times)
Increased DRAM voltage
Disabling Radeon Software Auto OC tuner
Disabled Freesync
Disabled Vsync
Disabled Enhanced Sync
Increased memory clock
Decreased core clock
Cleaning old drivers with the AMD cleanup utility
Disabled PCIE power saving
Disabled 10-bit pixel format
Disabled Microsoft game bar
Disabled discord overlay
Set audio channel to "stereo"
Increased the card's power limit via MSI Afterburner
Updated Ryzen Master
Set refresh rate to 60hz (from 144)
Set games to run at 1080p
Ran Crystaldisk, ssd came up as good
Ran memtest86 in usb bootup (no errors after 3 hours of runtime)
Last resort was a clean install of windows 10 and driver installs
Specs are:
Red Devil 6700xt
Ryzen 5 5600x (stock cooler)
Asus Prime b550m-a motherboard
High Power 650w 80+ bronze (not sure the exact model, couldn't budge the psu out enough to get a good look)
G Skill 2x16gb 2133mhz (XMP enabled to 3200mhz)
Powerspec clone of a Lian Li 205 (read not the best on thermals)

This is a prebuilt as I couldn't find a gpu and cracked when I saw the sale at MC, I'm feeling like I made the wrong purchase here.

Also as I'm pretty new to this forum is there anyway to upload an html I have a html of HWINFO if needed, thanks for your time.
 
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A couple of things, from a search of the interwebs:

Try disabling Radeon Anti Lag.
Try setting game.exe (e.g rdr2.exe) to high priority (task manager > more details >details tab, right click rdr2.exe, set priority to high).
Try setting game.exe affinity (task manager > more details >details tab, right click rdr2.exe, set affinity, untick core 0 and 1).
 
Alan McFall said:
A couple of things, from a search of the interwebs:

Try disabling Radeon Anti Lag.
Try setting game.exe (e.g rdr2.exe) to high priority (task manager > more details >details tab, right click rdr2.exe, set priority to high).
Try setting game.exe affinity (task manager > more details >details tab, right click rdr2.exe, set affinity, untick core 0 and 1).
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First off appreciate the response, Anti Lag is already off via radeon software. I just tested one of my games (Mordhau) using high priority and unticking cores 0 and 1 it seems to perform a bit better but I still get frequent stutters.
 
Viruozzy said:
In these situations, I experimented with older versions of drivers to find the most stable option.
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Thanks for the response, unfortunately that's what I've been doing for a while now starting with the most recent drivers all the way to the first one released, I haven't found one that works good so far but if I do I'll be sure to update (thinking it's something internal at this point)
 
91c on the CPU? Maybe it's throttling, that's fine for a GPU but on the really toasty side for a CPU.
 
t31os said:
91c on the CPU? Maybe it's throttling, that's fine for a GPU but on the really toasty side for a CPU.
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I thought so too but to be completely honest I only captured that high temp once, right now usually it's 75-82c I do have a stock cooler so I wouldn't be surprised
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Still not a healthy temp for a CPU, wouldn't be a bad call to replace the cooler with something better.
 
t31os said:
Still not a healthy temp for a CPU, wouldn't be a bad call to replace the cooler with something better.
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5600x has safe operating temp of 95C, should be no throttling before that. And OP has stated it's usually it's 75-82c gaming.

"Q. There have been many posts about thermals for these chips and I’ve read a few of your responses to them, as well as this graphic. Basically what you are telling us is that we have to change our understanding of what is “good” and “undesirable” when it comes to CPU temps for Zen 3, right? Cause I see you repeating the same info about how 60-90C is expected(i.e., where 78C may have been the top range, 90C now is, hence your statements about extra thermal headroom) and yet people keep freaking out because of what they have been used to, whether it’s from Zen 2 or team blue?

Robert Hallock : Yes. I want to be clear with everyone that AMD views temps up to 90C (5800X/5900X/5950X) and 95C (5600X) as typical and by design for full load conditions. Having a higher maximum temperature supported by the silicon and firmware allows the CPU to pursue higher and longer boost performance before the algorithm pulls back for thermal reasons."

You should go into Control Panel >Power options > change plan settings > change advanced power settings > processor power management > maximum power state and make sure its set to 100%.
 
Alan McFall said:
5600x has safe operating temp of 95C, should be no throttling before that. And OP has stated it's usually it's 75-82c gaming.

"Q. There have been many posts about thermals for these chips and I’ve read a few of your responses to them, as well as this graphic. Basically what you are telling us is that we have to change our understanding of what is “good” and “undesirable” when it comes to CPU temps for Zen 3, right? Cause I see you repeating the same info about how 60-90C is expected(i.e., where 78C may have been the top range, 90C now is, hence your statements about extra thermal headroom) and yet people keep freaking out because of what they have been used to, whether it’s from Zen 2 or team blue?

Robert Hallock : Yes. I want to be clear with everyone that AMD views temps up to 90C (5800X/5900X/5950X) and 95C (5600X) as typical and by design for full load conditions. Having a higher maximum temperature supported by the silicon and firmware allows the CPU to pursue higher and longer boost performance before the algorithm pulls back for thermal reasons."

You should go into Control Panel >Power options > change plan settings > change advanced power settings > processor power management > maximum power state and make sure its set to 100%.
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Aye thanks for the response, I hate to admit but I've been running on high performance (power plan) since I purchased the rig, I did switch to balanced just to test and see if there was no difference there was none. I put max power state to 100 for processor and PCI Express Link power management is set to off. Would it be too far fetched to believe the 6700xt is faulty? Or would a faulty gpu have way more signs than just stuttering/blank screen on startup?
 
TheKingOfBreadsticks said:
Ryzen 5 5600x (stock cooler)
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Try a better CPU cooler. 91 degrees is unreasonably hot at 35% load. Even 75 degrees is hot with such a light load.

Hmm... I wonder... It's faintly possible that whoever built the PC left the sticker on the heatsink? Take the heatsink off and check for a clear plastic film, which may be partially melted.

Before you do that, though, buy this:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £10.73 (includes shipping: £2.74)​
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because if the film is not there you should clean the CPU and cooler with isopropyl alcohol and apply a new dose of paste. There are plenty of Youtube videos on this subject. Just avoid the Verge!

If the film is partially melted it should still peel off but a little scraping may be necessary.
 
Quartz said:
Try a better CPU cooler. 91 degrees is unreasonably hot at 35% load. Even 75 degrees is hot with such a light load.

Hmm... I wonder... It's faintly possible that whoever built the PC left the sticker on the heatsink? Take the heatsink off and check for a clear plastic film, which may be partially melted.

Before you do that, though, buy this:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £10.73 (includes shipping: £2.74)
​

because if the film is not there you should clean the CPU and cooler with isopropyl alcohol and apply a new dose of paste. There are plenty of Youtube videos on this subject. Just avoid the Verge!

If the film is partially melted it should still peel off but a little scraping may be necessary.
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I just picked up a Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB black ed and Noctua NT-H1 thermal paste overnighted to me (since then cooler and new paste is installed) temps are down drastically but I still face massive stuttering and upon playing mordhau I got a d3d driver crash along with a whole system freeze (had to restart entirely) I'm starting to believe it's the GPU at this point.
 
That's a decent cooler. You've had so many crashes that I wonder if Windows has become corrupt. You might consider a reinstall from scratch.
 
TheKingOfBreadsticks said:
High Power 650w 80+ bronze
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i'd have a serious look at that psu, a highpower brand honestly sounds very cheap in my opinion, if you've built another pc with that unit and still getting fps issues i'd look at replacing it with a corsair, seasonic or silverstone 750w gold rated unit, dont be afraid to spend a good £80-120 on a quality psu, they will last a fair few years if you get a good model

apart from that the cpu and gpu are a very good combo together, perhaps as others have said upgrade the cpu cooler to a 212 for better temps, look at the psu though
 
wookiee87 said:
i'd have a serious look at that psu, a highpower brand honestly sounds very cheap in my opinion, if you've built another pc with that unit and still getting fps issues i'd look at replacing it with a corsair, seasonic or silverstone 750w gold rated unit, dont be afraid to spend a good £80-120 on a quality psu, they will last a fair few years if you get a good model

apart from that the cpu and gpu are a very good combo together, perhaps as others have said upgrade the cpu cooler to a 212 for better temps, look at the psu though
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If I want to be honest I didn't build these systems they were prebuilts by MC's in house brand (Powerspec) I did want to build originally but getting a gpu is so difficult with this ongoing shortage. I did replace the stock cooler with the 212 and it did bring cpu temps down drastically about 15-20 degrees but ultimately didn't fix the stuttering. That was my next guess is PSU or maybe faulty electrical in my house? (I do have some problems in my basement electrical but I've never had problems in my own room so I found that hard to believe) correct me if I'm wrong but faulty electrical would have way more effects than just bad performance in game? Appreciate your response.
 
if a psu has gone bad the effects will show under load a lot more than if just idle in windows, if it pops then the pc will not switch on at all.

if house eletrics were a problem the pc most likley wouldn't power on or if it did it would turn off if the current is too low or high, it just seems funny that it's under load where you have most of your problems, temps are a bit high but that shouldn't cause stuttering in game like your describing
 
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