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Can anyone imagine what people in MI5 are thinking? Everyday there are more people for them to try and monitor.

We are letting in thousands of mainly Muslim men into the country, who mostly have low levels of education and are probably quite hardened, the sorts of people who are the type to cause attacks. It’s happened before and it will happen again. What benefit does it bring to us as a country? I cannnot see any.
 
cheesyboy said:
Failed means they were identified. Ensuring they can't stay is an issue of bureaucracy, which is the government's job to fix. Let's not blame genuine asylum seekers for the government's failings in dealing with rejected applications
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Failed = Hold them in a removal centre and get rid of them. That they are free in the community is crazy. This is a govt failure 100%.
 
The Running Man said:
It's shocking to ask why they won't accept a fail decision?

Or stay and commit effectively capital crime?
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Don't play weak rhetorical games.

Your continual fear-mongering and, frankly, horrible rants don't reflect well on you. At all.

They also damage the points you're trying to make.

You're the one people point to when they want to demonstrate that the other side are horrible people.
 
inferno said:
Can anyone imagine what people in MI5 are thinking? Everyday there are more people for them to try and monitor.

We are letting in thousands of mainly Muslim men into the country, who mostly have low levels of education and are probably quite hardened, the sorts of people who are the type to cause attacks. It’s happened before and it will happen again. What benefit does it bring to us as a country? I cannnot see any.
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None, its making things worse. The educated ones are able to get in through legit routes. The people queuing up in Calais all need to be turned away tbh.
 
cheesyboy said:
Is there any evidence to suggest asylum seekers are any more violent than other unemployed sections of British society?
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They may not be any more violent that what we have here already, but that's not a reason to abandon standards and make things even worse.

And we should also be doing something about our own homegrown degenerates.
 
[FnG]magnolia said:
That's normally @FoxEye 's domain and he'll get grumpy at me for pointing it out again but that doesn't make it any less true. There are some extreme positions being taken in this thread - most threads actually in GD - and it's saddening that it's become the norm.
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The best thing that could happen for every other species on this planet is if 90% of the human population was wiped out.

This isn't really an extreme position. It's just true.

Obviously it would have to be something like a virus, because a nuclear apocalypse isn't benefiting anything.

I don't have a human-centric viewpoint on these issues and that's why you think I'm an awful person. I just don't think human life outweighs all other life.

I'm also pragmatic enough to see that you can't fix certain regions of the world. They are literally 100% resistant to being helped out of the squalor they exist in, and will continue to be **** holes basically forever. Much of that due to corruption, religion and/or tradition.

But by all means continue to use a simplistic human-centric approach to all issues and in your black and white world you can frame me as the bad guy. I'll live with it ;)
 
inferno said:
Can anyone imagine what people in MI5 are thinking? Everyday there are more people for them to try and monitor.

We are letting in thousands of mainly Muslim men into the country, who mostly have low levels of education and are probably quite hardened, the sorts of people who are the type to cause attacks. It’s happened before and it will happen again. What benefit does it bring to us as a country? I cannnot see any.
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Cultural enrichment or something
 
cheesyboy said:
This is below primary school logic my friend.
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That would only be true if France and the UK were totally different in terms of (eg) safety, economic prosperity, etc.

But they aren't. France, Germany, etc are just as safe as the UK, and just as prosperous.

So comparing land mass and population density is entirely valid.

As said previously, we also have a shortage of housing in the UK.

I guess we *could* let them all in, and then build vast detention centres to put them in, Ozzie style. Then we can broadcast pictures of vast scores of economic migrants stuck in detention centres, and hope it puts the rest off.

Otherwise with your unlimited migration stance, where are they going to end up? Either the UK govt has to pay to put them all up in hotels, or they end up sleeping rough on the streets. Is that what success looks like?
 
inferno said:
We are letting in thousands of mainly Muslim men into the country, who mostly have low levels of education and are probably quite hardened, the sorts of people who are the type to cause attacks. It’s happened before and it will happen again. What benefit does it bring to us as a country? I can not see any.
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Lefties and Liberals think they can cart them off into farms to pick vegetables or make their soya lattes in cafe bars :rolleyes:
 
cheesyboy said:
Well that was my question : is there any evidence they are actually worse?
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The fact they came into this country illegally shows me they have low moral standards and are willing to break laws when it suits them. I don't want to let in anyone with that mindset in.
 
robgmun said:
The fact they came into this country illegally shows me they have low moral standards and are willing to break laws when it suits them. I don't want to let in anyone with that mindset in.
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Tying your morals to laws is ****** up bro.

It's not hard to think of laws of the recent past that are completely immoral in themselves.
 
LabR@t said:
The three counties are very similar in all aspects other then size.

We are one of the most overcrowded countries in the world.
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German's population density is actually pretty similar to the UK.

And it's not a sensible measure anyway, or we'd send asylum seekers to Greenland.
 
cheesyboy said:
If our government allowed safe and legal crossings, there would be no people traffickers and no deaths.
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and if the government gave every citizen one million pounds we could eliminate poverty


Why doesn't the gov print 1 million pounds per person that exists on the planet?

your essentially asking the same question unless you think there are millions of houses sat doing nothing and millions of jobs people who barely speak english could be doing.

you know most jobs require at-least a GSCE in Maths and English?

do we need more uber eats/deliveroo riders
 
LabR@t said:
Moral standards change with the times. What's morally acceptable today would be abhorrent a few years ago.
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Acceptance changes, "standards" may change, but actual morals do not. The harm principle underpins natural law and is essentially what morality is.
 
200sols said:
Hyperinflation says otherwise.
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what do you think happens if millions of people suddenly are allowed here?


when there is no housing, no infrastructure, no public services, no hospital/dental/gp capacity for them.


A race to the bottom turning our country into theres (not literally or culturally) but we would be one of the poorest countries in europe fast.

The governments never invested even to keep up with the growing population we already had.

since you were born there's probably less police around, hospital capacity is probably exactly the same as when you were born, harder to find a dentist, harder to get a GP appointment etc.

Schools went down hill too, libraries closed, public swimming pools closed.

our country has been decimated by austerity since 2012 apparently, I'd argue we had austerity since a lot longer than that.

do community centres exist anymore? like every service has been ruined or just scrapped.
 
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