AIBs making RDNA2 mining GPUs!

[Grim5]

AMD did say many months ago they would not be making mining cards, but they didn't say the AIB couldn't make mining cards with gaming GPU chips lol

https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphir...i-22-gpu-and-10gb-memory-leaked-costs-750-eur

 

[shankly1985]

I actually think this is how the market needs to go. Build GPUs for gaming and Mining, make sure the gaming GPUs perform very badly at mining and make sure the mining GPUs perform very badly at gaming.

At least this way people actually looking to buy a gaming GPU would be able to do so.

This would also mean extra work required from AMD and Nvidia to ensure the mining GPUs can not be unlocked or the gaming GPUs can not be unlocked.

Mining isn't going away and the market needs to fine the correct manner in keeping both sides happy.

 

[SKILL]

AMD are producing enough RDNA2 chips to satisfy demand (pretty much all models are easily available at retail), so why not sell to miners too?

 

[FoxEye]

I actually think this is how the market needs to go. Build GPUs for gaming and Mining, make sure the gaming GPUs perform very badly at mining and make sure the mining GPUs perform very badly at gaming.

At least this way people actually looking to buy a gaming GPU would be able to do so.

This would also mean extra work required from AMD and Nvidia to ensure the mining GPUs can not be unlocked or the gaming GPUs can not be unlocked.

Mining isn't going away and the market needs to fine the correct manner in keeping both sides happy.

The trouble is you can't make a gaming card that's bad at mining. It's not really a viable proposition.

The best you can probably do is make a gaming card that's bad at mining a specific coin, until someone else removes the artificial limiter.

But a card that's bad at mining all coins will be bad at gaming too. C'est la vie.

 

[Darujhistan]

Hmmm, I wonder where the greater profits will lie, individual gamers, or mining farms?

 

[ShivP]

AMD are producing enough RDNA2 chips to satisfy demand (pretty much all models are easily available at retail), so why not sell to miners too?

Where

 

[SKILL]

Where

Look on OcUK? Stock of pretty much all models?

 

[Darujhistan]

Where

You can buy today a 6900XT which, RT apart, is pretty much equivalent to NV's 3900 for half the price.

 

[ShivP]

Look on OcUK? Stock of pretty much all models?

Yeah in stock, they are definitely not retail pric

 

[Freddie1980]

AMD are producing enough RDNA2 chips to satisfy demand (pretty much all models are easily available at retail), so why not sell to miners too?

I think you meant to say AMD have found a price point for it's products that means they don't sell out the moment they land in stock

 

[Purgatory]

Yeah in stock, they are definitely not retail pric

Once people understand the MSRP is a myth and was never true apart for the reviews to look good and only the drops from nvidia for the FE, the sooner people will snap up a card with a "sensible" price when available. MSRP has been a myth for many years now and AIB cards have always had a premium on them compared to FE and reference designs.

It has now just become a lot worse due to the factors we all know about. If you want a GPU at MSRP then your only hope is Nvidia with their FE drops, AMD are not supplying the UK with MSRP cards for their reference cards. So either wait for a Nvidia drop and hope you get one or if you really want an AMD card well the only ones not crazy above MSRP are the 6900xt cards compared to their other cards as they can be found for £1200-£1300 so that is 20%-30% over the reference design cards and again as they are AIB cards they will have a premium on them as they are not reference design.

Also if you have a working card doing what you need it to do there is no point stressing about MSRP cards, because they don't exist in AIB form or from AMD.

Also you have a 3070 so why even bother ?

 

[SKILL]

Yeah in stock, they are definitely not retail pric

Yeah they are, the market has shown it will accept ridiculous prices and so that's what you get... The only cards of this generation to sell at MSRP were the tiny numbers of FE cards, everything else sold for what the market will support.

I think you meant to say AMD have found a price point for it's products that means they don't sell out the moment they land in stock

Isn't that just the right price? They're still selling but not selling out and not overflowing from too much supply, so max profits for all involved, good times...

 

[nvidiamd]

The trouble is you can't make a gaming card that's bad at mining. It's not really a viable proposition.

The best you can probably do is make a gaming card that's bad at mining a specific coin, until someone else removes the artificial limiter.

But a card that's bad at mining all coins will be bad at gaming too. C'est la vie.

They can easily make the cards not to work too great (or not work at all ) when another GPU is added to the system ( since crossfire/sli gaming is dead anyway). This is the easiest fix against mining but no one will do it.

 

[Angilion]

I actually think this is how the market needs to go. Build GPUs for gaming and Mining, make sure the gaming GPUs perform very badly at mining and make sure the mining GPUs perform very badly at gaming.

At least this way people actually looking to buy a gaming GPU would be able to do so.

This would also mean extra work required from AMD and Nvidia to ensure the mining GPUs can not be unlocked or the gaming GPUs can not be unlocked.

Mining isn't going away and the market needs to fine the correct manner in keeping both sides happy.

Even if they could, why would they bother? They're making record profits at the moment, so the current situation is absolutely fine for them. They don't care what customers do with the cards.

 

[shankly1985]

Even if they could, why would they bother? They're making record profits at the moment, so the current situation is absolutely fine for them. They don't care what customers do with the cards.

Customer satisfaction is a real thing.

Go to any where on the Internet that let's you comment towards a peice of hardware and you will see the backlash amd and nvidia is getting over shortage, price increases etc

 

[Angilion]

Customer satisfaction is a real thing.

Go to any where on the Internet that let's you comment towards a peice of hardware and you will see the backlash amd and nvidia is getting over shortage, price increases etc

Both companies are doing better than ever right now, so having some of their customers complaining about shortages and pricing doesn't matter to them. It's PC gamers who are complaining about that and neither AMD nor nvidia give a damn about PC gamers as PC gamers aren't the main market for products from those companies. Not even indirectly through AIBs. PC gamers are unimportant to AMD and nvidia, especially when there are enough PC gamers who will pay £600 for a budget gaming card, £1000 for a midrange gaming card and £2000+ for a top end gaming card and defend that pricing. At most, it's a very minor PR issue that warrants nothing more than a few meaningless words of platitude from each company every now and then.

Customer satisfaction is a real thing, but it's far less important to a business than profits. Since AMD and nvidia are a duopoly, as long as they're acting together they don't need to care about customer satisfaction at all let alone treat it as important. They certainly don't need to care about customer satisfaction amongst some customers in a minority of their market.

This situation has been ongoing for a while and both AMD and nvidia have reported record profits during it. The bottom line is the bottom line. The current situation is absolutely fine for AMD and nvidia. They have no reason to change a situation that's absolutely fine for them just because some customers in a minority of their market dislike the situation (but usually buy their products at a vastly inflated price anyway).

 

[Yaayuh!]

Both companies could put Swastikas on the cards and they'd sell, there are no other options. What are you going to do, not buy a GPU?

 

[Angilion]

Both companies could put Swastikas on the cards and they'd sell, there are no other options. What are you going to do, not buy a GPU?

In my case, yes. I could pay £3K for a graphics card. But I won't. My next gaming device will be a console unless pricing changes a lot. PC gaming is better, but not by enough to make the huge difference in cost value for money for me. I've found a brace that I think will make it possible for me to use a controller, so that's the last obstacle dealt with. In the meantime, I'll just play games that my current hardware is adequate for.

The only possible way pricing will change is if sales drop by enough to reduce profits and result in companies deciding that the best way to profit is to reduce profit margins in order to maintain sales. Which will only happen if enough people don't buy a graphics/mining card or if Intel decide to (and are able to) supply adequate gaming cards in adequate quantities at a lower price in order to acquire a huge market share immediately. Which would probably be snapped up by miners anyway.

 

[Calin Banc]

Once people understand the MSRP is a myth and was never true apart for the reviews to look good and only the drops from nvidia for the FE, the sooner people will snap up a card with a "sensible" price when available.

Since is not really a myth for other PC components that can be had at sensible prices, maybe not buying is not such a bad thing after all.