Arthur Labinjo-Hughes RIP

[NVP]

Indeed. Because the woman who killed Star was a Lesbian Gypsy social services fobbed off the Grandparents concerns five times and accused the grandparents of being homophobic racists.

That's the state of our country now folks - first Rotherham (can't stop crimes because the perps are Pakistanis) and now this (can't stop the crimes because Lesbian/Traveller).

The Liberals/progressives are pushing this country down the toilet.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

The most likely reason concerns were dismissed by SS is due to them taking the easy option. As there was a "believable" reason made by the partner it was easier for a lazy social worker to simply accept that rather than attempt any real work, especially since there was no proof and no immediate threat to intervene.

This is the biggest problem with our social care systems.

The system needs to ensure higher standards are met before hiring, and more intense initial supervised training as well as continued monitoring of employees.

 

[Minstadave]

What a ridiculous thing to say.

The most likely reason concerns were dismissed by SS is due to them taking the easy option. As there was a "believable" reason made by the partner it was easier for a lazy social worker to simply accept that rather than attempt any real work, especially since there was no proof and no immediate threat to intervene.

This is the biggest problem with our social care systems.

The system needs to ensure higher standards are met before hiring, and more intense initial supervised training as well as continued monitoring of employees.

This is my experience. Anything remotely plausible and they'll "no further action" and close the case. They habe to be bullied and pressured into acting.

 

[Thekwango]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-59599884

Absolutely heart breaking.

words don't come close to expressing the sadness and anger. i wonder do the people that do these things to children have anything registering in their heads at the time, any sense that what they are doing is so wrong. any sense that they are likely to cause serious and fatal injuries to a child. i just can't fathom it.

 

[NVP]

i wonder do the people that do these things to children have anything registering in their heads at the time, any sense that what they are doing is so wrong. any sense that they are likely to cause serious and fatal injuries to a child. i just can't fathom it.

Unfortunately this mirrors a similar case from a few years back - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31510598 - where it was stated:

The court heard she was caught in the middle of a dangerous relationship between her mother Polly Chowdhury, who suffered from low self esteem, and Kiki Muddar, who had a narcissistic personality disorder.

Severe personality disorders combined with vulnerable people can have some catastrophic outcomes

 

[Alice In Wonderland]

words don't come close to expressing the sadness and anger. i wonder do the people that do these things to children have anything registering in their heads at the time, any sense that what they are doing is so wrong. any sense that they are likely to cause serious and fatal injuries to a child. i just can't fathom it.

I don't understand it either.

It horrifies me that there are people out there who treat others like this.

 

[Minstadave]

I don't understand it either.

It horrifies me that there are people out there who treat others like this.

It's sadly much more common than people are aware of and taking kids out of school made a lot of the abuse impossible to detect.

 

[Alice In Wonderland]

Unfortunately this mirrors a similar case from a few years back - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31510598 - where it was stated:

Severe personality disorders combined with vulnerable people can have some catastrophic outcomes

I watched a documentary on that the other night and it was really shocking and almost unbelievable at times.

They say life can be stranger than fiction and this was definitely the case here.

Only a psychopath, with a severe antisocial personality disorder, could choose to behave in the way, that kikki did.

They even both got their sentences reduced after appealing.

 

[Alice In Wonderland]

It's sadly much more common than people are aware of and taking kids out of school made a lot of the abuse impossible to detect.

I can well believe it unfortunately.

 

[adam cool dude]

It's sadly much more common than people are aware of and taking kids out of school made a lot of the abuse impossible to detect.

Also the fact there is basically no contact between parents and social workers from the age of 1 to basically when they start school. Our son is 2 years old. He burnt himself with a hot tea that was left on the corner (We all make mistakes) and took him to A&E and got him patched up. A little burn on his chest but otherwise okay. He has since fully recovered with no scaring.

After all that has happened in the past couple of weeks we have had a person come to the house to see how things are so obviously the staff is there. This happened 3 months ago but it stank of reaction from what has been going on.

I did a little google when this initially happened and there are 58 child deaths a year in this country on average from abuse. That is almost once per week.

 

[Alice In Wonderland]

Also the fact there is basically no contact between parents and social workers from the age of 1 to basically when they start school. Our son is 2 years old. He burnt himself with a hot tea that was left on the corner (We all make mistakes) and took him to A&E and got him patched up. A little burn on his chest but otherwise okay. He has since fully recovered with no scaring.

After all that has happened in the past couple of weeks we have had a person come to the house to see how things are so obviously the staff is there. This happened 3 months ago but it stank of reaction from what has been going on.

I did a little google when this initially happened and there are 58 child deaths a year in this country on average from abuse. That is almost once per week.

I guess after recent events, it is understandable that they will be being more thorough than usual.

I have a rather pessimistic view though that things will revert back to the way it was.

 

[Minstadave]

Also the fact there is basically no contact between parents and social workers from the age of 1 to basically when they start school. Our son is 2 years old. He burnt himself with a hot tea that was left on the corner (We all make mistakes) and took him to A&E and got him patched up. A little burn on his chest but otherwise okay. He has since fully recovered with no scaring.

After all that has happened in the past couple of weeks we have had a person come to the house to see how things are so obviously the staff is there. This happened 3 months ago but it stank of reaction from what has been going on.

I did a little google when this initially happened and there are 58 child deaths a year in this country on average from abuse. That is almost once per week.

I think you mean health visitors? Social workers don't have regular contact with families unless there are concerns.

A health visitor or social workers doing a visit after a burn in a young child is quite commonplace. It may well have been a reaction and is the right thing to do.

 

[EddScott]

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Not wishing to quote you specifically, but I heard on the radio they had said to Social Services the complaints were homophobic in nature.

 

[NVP]

Not wishing to quote you specifically, but I heard on the radio they had said to Social Services the complaints were homophobic in nature.

I suppose that depends on who "they" refers to - the article stated (paraphrasing from memory) "SS dismissed the concerns due to being informed they were malicious and homophobic by the women" or something like that.

So it would depend on the context of the radio conversation and whether they're referring to the same comment or something else.

If it is the same information then this is exactly what I meant in my post about being provided with an excuse allowing them to take the easy route.

 

[Moley]

If it is the same information then this is exactly what I meant in my post about being provided with an excuse allowing them to take the easy route.

Which is exactly the same thing we saw with the authorities in Rotherham (and the other white-girl gang rape cases), so these two cases certainly do seem to have parallels. Seems we agree on more than we disagree.

 

[NVP]

Which is exactly the same thing we saw with the authorities in Rotherham (and the other white-girl gang rape cases), so these two cases certainly do seem to have parallels. Seems we agree on more than we disagree.

Well not exactly. One is a case of an excuse for an easy life where as the other is an excuse for a scapegoat, but let's not open that can of worms.

Regarding agreement - your original post seemed to confuse the two.

As always, this is just my opinion on both situations. I have no additional facts unavailable to the public.

 

[Werewolf]

People might remember this case https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...m-freed-just-four-years-12-year-sentence.html and she was 26/27 on release. So got another 14-16 years left on the clock to have more children - what’s the likelihood that she hasn’t learnt much?

People who neglect, murder or treat children like Arthur should be sterilised. Or better still never leave prison.

People who are found guilty of serious child neglect or deliberate injury are very rarely allowed to keep any children they have in the future, they tend to have notes put on their medical records etc so the moment the system becomes aware they're pregnant/living with children protective measures kick in and removal of the child at birth is common if there is any hint of them still being a danger.

 

[Alice In Wonderland]

They have just showed a video on the BBC news, of poor star and her face, literally black and blue from bruises.

It's just shocking beyond words that anyone could be that cruel and horrible.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

They really need to get this whole life sentence put into law asap as far as i'm concerned. These current rulings are ridiculous for the harm done.

 

[HangTime]

These sort of stories sometimes make me feel physically ill now I have children of my own. To be honest, I generally avoid reading them, and that's not because I don't care, or want to dismiss the importance of it.

My wife does a lot of safeguarding work and honestly I have no idea how she gets through the worst of it. I mean 'bad day at work' has totally different connotations for some people. Seeing what she has seen, not to mention the acute paediatric care work she did before, it just puts a completely different context on how low work can go.

It's also incredibly easy for people to sit there pointing fingers and say "oh why didn't the authorities interview, how did they miss the signs, this is ridiculous!?!?!'. I'm not talking about this specific case, but more in general. I don't think these peopel have a ******* clue how much pressure some of the health visiting teams etc are under, earning pretty mediocre money, crying themselves to sleep over the pain they've witnessed and just trying to do the best they can with the resources they've got. Ultimately, I guess you can't save them all

 

[Eurofighter]

If only we could make people sterile from birth and have to pass a test to breed. Both these story's nearly made me cry. Horrible.