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Nvidia Ampere vs AMD RDNA2, Who Won The GPU Generation (So Far)?
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How can he refuse to enable SAM and expect to be taken seriously?
Tbh even having gotten the RX 6800 at my local MSRP I'm also feeling the fomo to re-sell it now for a higher price (even though it more than paid for itself already mining during downtime). If I sold it for current prices + what it mined it could probably cover the cost for the RDNA 3 MCM GPU that's upcoming. Just loathe to be back with "just" my RX 480 again, plus it's still a year away (at least).
In a broad sense i would agree with that but with RDNA2 AMD are showing some real innovation.
The architecture is very performant and very power efficient, the cache system is inventive and forward thinking, AMD have an on chip thread scheduler which makes it far more efficient than Nvidia's solution for draw calls, Nvidia requite 30% more CPU calls than AMD to maintain the same level of performance.
If RDNA3 goes MCM i think Nvidia will find themselves in a spot of bother.
Which means that in this country at least, AMD weren't even in the fight. A shame, as I wanted an AMD card, but couldn't get one at RRP, whereas with nV I could.
e: Quick check shows me the 6700XT is currently £700 on OcUK. My 3060Ti was £380. Just lol.
AMD have had a year to sort out their direct sales to UK consumers, and haven't bothered to do anything, at all. For shame.
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Yup, nobody can argue with that point, they just sat with their collective thumbs up their hole and did nothjing to try and make the reference cards available for uk customers on their site.
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Nvidia win purely for making a genuine attempt to get product to gamers at MRSP. AMD proved they couldn't care less so long as the dollars roll in, especially with regards to the UK/European market.
But why would they do that if it is a fake MSRP anyway? Both companies are using these trick ( AMD in other parts of the world, Nvidia in UK too ). They give small batches of cards at MSRP, while asking for far more from the retail chains. Hey look it's not us, it is the greedy AIB's and retailers.
Why don't they sell thousands of cards each week if that is the real price? Why leaving the poor gamers in the hands of greedy AIBs and retailers? Selling small batches of cards is a very cheap trick and while some people may get a card this way, they are probably less than 1% of all the buyers.
I think the next gen they will give some cards for free and claim the cards don't cost anything but the greedy AIBs and the retailers are asking for thousands.
Why don't they sell thousands of cards each week if that is the real price? Why leaving the poor gamers in the hands of greedy AIBs and retailers? Selling small batches of cards is a very cheap trick and while some people may get a card this way, they are probably less than 1% of all the buyers.
I think the next gen they will give some cards for free and claim the cards don't cost anything but the greedy AIBs and the retailers are asking for thousands.
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They've sold thousands upon thousands at MSRP, I have bought around half a dozen myself over the past year. Just because you didn't get what you want, it doesn't mean it's a fake price. That's just you being salty.
I am not being salty for me the cards are expensive even at MSRP. But you need to understand that you belong to a very small minority and the vast majority is not hunting these cards every week. Otherwise no one will buy cards from the retail places where they are twice as expensive.
I was talking about selling thousands each week. If you see that the AIBs and the retailers are greedy, you have a very good tool to force them drop the prices. You can sell thousands upon thousands of cheap cards on your website, EVERY WEEK. This is not happening. The fact that you and 100 others are hunting for the 5-10 cards they sell every week online, is not making a big difference, even if you are very lucky.
nvidia don't set the prices of AIB models, same way amd don't set the prices of the AIB models.
And..... same way e/re-tailers couldn't scalp consoles prices because sony and microsoft have the price locked at that, no doubt e/re-tailers wanted to up the margin considerably given what they were going for on ebay though.... iirc, didn't currys/argos get caught selling for more than MSRP on their ebay stores and got a slap on the wrist or something?
Nvidia/AMD have no control over what AIBs do, they sell the cards to them and the AIBs do as they please from there on.
As we have seen with every release, AIBs are always more expensive than the reference/FE models, after all, nvidia/amd have to make a profit and then the AIB have to make a profit, not to mention the e/re-tailer also have to make a profit, hence why AIB will never be as cheap as reference/FE regardless of what the market is like. Thankfully this time the reference/FE are bloody good!
Most pc gamers I know all got nvidia FE cards and going by these forums, seem like most nvidia ampere owners also got FE too.
And..... same way e/re-tailers couldn't scalp consoles prices because sony and microsoft have the price locked at that, no doubt e/re-tailers wanted to up the margin considerably given what they were going for on ebay though.... iirc, didn't currys/argos get caught selling for more than MSRP on their ebay stores and got a slap on the wrist or something?
Nvidia/AMD have no control over what AIBs do, they sell the cards to them and the AIBs do as they please from there on.
As we have seen with every release, AIBs are always more expensive than the reference/FE models, after all, nvidia/amd have to make a profit and then the AIB have to make a profit, not to mention the e/re-tailer also have to make a profit, hence why AIB will never be as cheap as reference/FE regardless of what the market is like. Thankfully this time the reference/FE are bloody good!
Most pc gamers I know all got nvidia FE cards and going by these forums, seem like most nvidia ampere owners also got FE too.
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There are people who are prepared to put in some additional effort to purchase a card, and Nvidia have consistently engaged with distributors in order to assist. They even designed a specific variant (LHR) to aid the process. AMD have not lifted a finger to help their customers.
But yea, if you've been waiting for a special promo email asking how many 3080's you want for Christmas then you've probably been disappointed.
I see the same thing on AMD reddit, i guess they are trying to buy AMD cards from AMD us website. And while some of us as individuals may benefit from these drops, we still need to understand that both of these companies are using a fake MSRP and that is not the real price of the cards.
It is like in Cuba where a pound of meat costs 25 cents but you need to wake up at 1AM on thursday and sit in line in front of the store until they open at 9AM. Do that every week and you sometimes will be one of the happy 10 people who bought meat for 25 cents.
Or you can buy it from the real market for $2.
And unlike the black market, both AMD and Nvidia have means to control the prices for AIB's and retailers. If an AIB is selling the cards for a lot of money he won't get chips anymore and if a retailer is selling the cards for a lot of money he won't get cards anymore. Also there is a reason for why both companies profits are going through the roof right now. Because they sell a small number of cards for fake MSRP to pretend that they are doing us a favour, but they also get the biggest part of the profits from the "greedy" AIBs and retailers.
It is like in Cuba where a pound of meat costs 25 cents but you need to wake up at 1AM on thursday and sit in line in front of the store until they open at 9AM. Do that every week and you sometimes will be one of the happy 10 people who bought meat for 25 cents.
Or you can buy it from the real market for $2.
And unlike the black market, both AMD and Nvidia have means to control the prices for AIB's and retailers. If an AIB is selling the cards for a lot of money he won't get chips anymore and if a retailer is selling the cards for a lot of money he won't get cards anymore. Also there is a reason for why both companies profits are going through the roof right now. Because they sell a small number of cards for fake MSRP to pretend that they are doing us a favour, but they also get the biggest part of the profits from the "greedy" AIBs and retailers.
I would have stuck with the 5700xt no way I was gonna pay the AIB prices, thankfully with Nvidia FE drops I was able to get 3080FE at MSRP usually never liked FE but very happy with 30 series FE very well built and design 
Shame on AMD not caring for UK
so for me Nvidia wins
Shame on AMD not caring for UK
so for me Nvidia wins In terms of UK.... how is nvidia gpus a "fake" price when you "can" buy said cards for msrp???? 
In the UK with amd..... it is a "fake" price, because there is no way at all to buy said amd cards for MSRP..... that's the difference.
Exactly.
Also, nvidia and their UK partner for selling the FE have gone further to prevent bots as best as they can too i.e. changing the urls with each drop, captchas, limiting to 1 per house hold/billing etc. etc. where as iirc, for amd, they didn't have any of that for their reference cards elsewhere? Unless they have added something now???
In the UK with amd..... it is a "fake" price, because there is no way at all to buy said amd cards for MSRP..... that's the difference.Exactly.
Also, nvidia and their UK partner for selling the FE have gone further to prevent bots as best as they can too i.e. changing the urls with each drop, captchas, limiting to 1 per house hold/billing etc. etc. where as iirc, for amd, they didn't have any of that for their reference cards elsewhere? Unless they have added something now???
@nvidiamd "Fake price" or not, it's easier to buy something that exists than something that does not. It's a fact plain and simple, that nV make some cards available in the UK at MSRP, on an ongoing basis. How many cards have AMD made available since the start of the year? Absolutely none at all.
To say that both companies are putting consumers in the same position is simply not true.
e: Yes, getting an FE requires some work, patience and perseverance. But it's not beyond the means of most people to do the work necessary to get one.
People buy the AIB cards either because they a) don't like the FE/prefer the AIB or b) don't mind spending the extra money or c) really don't want the bother of signing up for alerts and begrudgingly pay the extra for a hassle-free purchase.
To say that both companies are putting consumers in the same position is simply not true.
e: Yes, getting an FE requires some work, patience and perseverance. But it's not beyond the means of most people to do the work necessary to get one.
People buy the AIB cards either because they a) don't like the FE/prefer the AIB or b) don't mind spending the extra money or c) really don't want the bother of signing up for alerts and begrudgingly pay the extra for a hassle-free purchase.