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Nvidia to pay TSMC $7 Billion to secure 5nm

pagepack said:
Which is exactly why the 3080 fe is pretty rare. If nvidia do release a 3080 12gb fe, they'll scalp it themselves. Probably £850.
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We knew at the time the 3080fe was priced too low from nvidia. They did it deliberately, whether it was just to ruffle AMDs feathers or screw their own board partners or both.
 
I'd argue that the 3080 was priced about right given the prices of the 1080 and 2080, it was only because the 3090 was priced too high at over double for a small performance uplift that made it look cheap. Clever marketing from Nvidia which many here obviously fell for.
 
Joxeon said:
I'd argue that the 3080 was priced about right given the prices of the 1080 and 2080, it was only because the 3090 was priced too high at over double for a small performance uplift that made it look cheap. Clever marketing from Nvidia which many here obviously fell for.
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Nah Nv dropped the ball with it, so all the cards from Nv and AMD (and Intel) will be priced up accordingly. Gone are the days of cheap cards
 
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Joxeon said:
I'd argue that the 3080 was priced about right given the prices of the 1080 and 2080, it was only because the 3090 was priced too high at over double for a small performance uplift that made it look cheap. Clever marketing from Nvidia which many here obviously fell for.
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You're looking at it as a consumer, which I'd absolutely agree the 3080 fe was priced about right.

If you're nvidia you'd be gutted. They could have made 30% extra profit on each card and still sold out. Which is why it's apparently eol.

The 40xx price's could be eye watering.
 
Joxeon said:
I'd argue that the 3080 was priced about right given the prices of the 1080 and 2080, it was only because the 3090 was priced too high at over double for a small performance uplift that made it look cheap. Clever marketing from Nvidia which many here obviously fell for.
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Oh I agree with you and pagepack; as a conmsumer it was a great price and looking back on it from todays perspective it was a huge bargin comparatively. I'm absolutely no suggesting it should have been more expensive for consumers. however, it was also somewhat of a paper launch and that pricing wreaked havoc with board partners due to vanishing profit margins, which lead us to speculate on why nvidia set that price point as it just didnt feel like it was what nVidia really wanted. It felt like nVidia wanted it to be an $850 card but they went in last minute and dropped the RRP for some reason. It's really easy to say they just wated to shaft the board partners because let's face it..it's nVidia and that wouldn't suprise anybody, but even if there's some truth to that, i dont think that's the whole truth.
 
james.miller said:
Oh I agree with you and pagepack; as a conmsumer it was a great price and looking back on it from todays perspective it was a huge bargin comparatively. I'm absolutely no suggesting it should have been more expensive for consumers. however, it was also somewhat of a paper launch and that pricing wreaked havoc with board partners due to vanishing profit margins, which lead us to speculate on why nvidia set that price point as it just didnt feel like it was what nVidia really wanted. It felt like nVidia wanted it to be an $850 card but they went in last minute and dropped the RRP for some reason. It's really easy to say they just wated to shaft the board partners because let's face it..it's nVidia and that wouldn't suprise anybody, but even if there's some truth to that, i dont think that's the whole truth.
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I think the strong performance of RDNA 2 and the lower than expect performance of Samsung 8nm had caught Nvidia out so they were forced to release the 3080 on a 102 instead of the 104 so instead of a 3080 with slightly more performance than a 3070ti we got one with slightly less performance than a 3090.
 
varkanoid said:
I like your optimism but sadly dont share it. That $7 billion has got to be paid from somewhere and guess who it will be aimed at ? Miners may no longer be buying the cards which leaves Gamers to pay the chip shortage tax.
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Turing says that they won't if there's no way to claw back some of the investment through mining. There's a lot of revisionism going on in here about how everybody's stupid and will pay whatever Nvidia ask, and how oh yeah, we definetly all knew that the 3080 was too cheap and it should have been more. Maybe if Jensen had access to a crystal ball and had seen a new mining craze coming, but the Ampere MSRPs were a response to Turing being largely rejected for being overpriced and underwhelming. Nvidia were practically begging people to upgrade in the Ampere announcement video. It's not even 18 months since they had to go on a charm offensive and lower pricing to try and rejuvenate interest in their high end. The past year and a bit has been an anomaly, and everything from now on depends on the state of mining. Current pricing will only become the new normal if mining survives the Ethereum changes. Going back to Turing pricing or higher simply will not work if the mining house of cards falls over. People won't, and didn't, pay it. They're even less likely to now with most left worse off by the events of the past couple of years.
 
What it means this round is that amd wont be on a process advantage anymore. I suspect this round nvidia will put a seriously large gap over amd.
 
Plus there is the current shortage of all things tech at the moment. Also think its optimistic to see the 4xxx launch next year and there being a bounty of stock. Title of the thread is aiming at 4xxx series but maybe its actually for the 5xxx series too.
Basically trying to say there seems to be "no GPU light shining at the end of the tunnel"

Cyber-Mav said:
What it means this round is that amd wont be on a process advantage anymore. I suspect this round nvidia will put a seriously large gap over amd.
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With intel yap yapping at both their heels. :)
 
A lot depends on nVidia being able to continue making efficiancy improvements as we know they are pushing power requriements to the limits. AMD are in the better position to make improvements there. I cant wait to see what intel do to the market. Long overdue a good shakeup.
 
pagepack said:
You're looking at it as a consumer, which I'd absolutely agree the 3080 fe was priced about right.

If you're nvidia you'd be gutted. They could have made 30% extra profit on each card and still sold out. Which is why it's apparently eol.

The 40xx price's could be eye watering.
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It hurts to say this but your observations seem perfectly reasonable... Nvidia have intentionally killed a good product to promote over priced SKUs
 
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