Is Intel going OEM only with the T models?
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With AM5 + Zen 4 coming in H2 2022, is anyone still planning to build an Alder Lake system?
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Is Intel going OEM only with the T models?
Just built an alder lake system. Cant be bothered to wait potentially another near year for an upgrade, and the 12600/12700's are stonking good value in comparison to other stuff out there if you are getting a new board too.
I also doubt i'll be interested in getting 64gb (need it for DAW work) of DDR5 as i imagine even by the end of the year it will still be crazy expensive. Rumours are Zen 4 will only take ddr5.
Will move to a Zen 4 2nd or 3rd gen (or whatever intel has out by then) in 3/4 years time and make a move to DDR5.
I also doubt i'll be interested in getting 64gb (need it for DAW work) of DDR5 as i imagine even by the end of the year it will still be crazy expensive. Rumours are Zen 4 will only take ddr5.
Will move to a Zen 4 2nd or 3rd gen (or whatever intel has out by then) in 3/4 years time and make a move to DDR5.
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Already on x570, Alder Lake looks good but not so much if already on a decent chip, as others have said it does look best if building from new.
I will see what Zen 4 and Raptor Lake will be like, then it depends which platform will offer the most potential CPU upgrades as well, but that will likely be a lottery anyway.
May as well upgrade the CPU later as that's when new GPUs come when it'll matter more anyway i suppose.
I will see what Zen 4 and Raptor Lake will be like, then it depends which platform will offer the most potential CPU upgrades as well, but that will likely be a lottery anyway.
May as well upgrade the CPU later as that's when new GPUs come when it'll matter more anyway i suppose.
I’m ready to build a new pc now, mainly for video editing but for my son to game on.
Was looking at the intel 12900k but held off to see what was happening with AMD.
Will these new chips with 3D cache be better for video editing?
I wanted as many cores as possible for editing, so looked at the 12900k but I am now looking at the 12700k as this seems to be a good chip and not as hot.
not sure I want to wait and was thinking I9 12700k and ddr 4 32gb ram.
Maybe not the thread for it but for topic purposes will these new amd be better for editing or just gaming.
Cheers
Was looking at the intel 12900k but held off to see what was happening with AMD.
Will these new chips with 3D cache be better for video editing?
I wanted as many cores as possible for editing, so looked at the 12900k but I am now looking at the 12700k as this seems to be a good chip and not as hot.
not sure I want to wait and was thinking I9 12700k and ddr 4 32gb ram.
Maybe not the thread for it but for topic purposes will these new amd be better for editing or just gaming.
Cheers
The 12700K is what I would get right now if building new. The 5800X3D will primarily be for improving gaming, and it sounds like it will be just enough to allow AMD to claim they have the fastest gaming chip. (But only by a slim margin)
I would also get a DDR 4 board rather than a DDR5 version.
With Raptor Lake confirmed and scheduled presumably for the 2nd half of 2022, I wonder if it will even come close to Zen 4 single core / multi core performance?
It's very odd how Intel has confirmed nothing about it yet, except that it's planned for this year. Maybe it will be mostly aimed at people who already have an Alder Lake motherboard?
I did think Intel's presentation was fairly lacklustre compared to AMD's, maybe they are just holding on for Meteor Lake and banking on their graphics cards?
Raptor Lake will probably be a bit faster than Zen3D at least. It could easily end up being another Rocket Lake like product though, assuming that it's still using 10nm (what else?).
It's a shame really, Intel's 7nm EUV desktop CPUs (Meteor Lake?) could end up launching 6-9 months after Zen 4, much too late for real competition.
Another notable thing, is 'Zen3+' APUs will support higher DDR5 speeds than Alder Lake, such as DDR5-5200 and LPDDR5-6400. So, Zen 4 could end up with a DDR5 6400mhz memory controller.
It's very odd how Intel has confirmed nothing about it yet, except that it's planned for this year. Maybe it will be mostly aimed at people who already have an Alder Lake motherboard?
I did think Intel's presentation was fairly lacklustre compared to AMD's, maybe they are just holding on for Meteor Lake and banking on their graphics cards?
Raptor Lake will probably be a bit faster than Zen3D at least. It could easily end up being another Rocket Lake like product though, assuming that it's still using 10nm (what else?).
It's a shame really, Intel's 7nm EUV desktop CPUs (Meteor Lake?) could end up launching 6-9 months after Zen 4, much too late for real competition.
Another notable thing, is 'Zen3+' APUs will support higher DDR5 speeds than Alder Lake, such as DDR5-5200 and LPDDR5-6400. So, Zen 4 could end up with a DDR5 6400mhz memory controller.
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For single core, isn't it Zen 4 that needs to majorly catch up now? AMD needs another 15-20% single core. If Raptor lake improves that even more, AMD are going to need to find possibly nearly 30% or more single core performance with Zen 4.
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In games, just about or slightly better going by the cherry picked results. Not for other applications though.
I'd be surprised if Zen 4 doesn't even beat RPL by a fairly large margin in single core and latency etc.
Given AMDs numbers (and making the assumption Zen4 has the extra cache of Zen3D) then the '3D Cache' gives 10-25% IPC improvement over Zen3, and Zen4 architecture gives 25%... Also they showed/claimed Zen4 running 5GHz all-core.
Intel on the otherhand claim 10% IPC on the P-cores (still only 8) + an extra 8 identical E-cores. So they should do well in MT but sounds like AMD will have the edge in ST.
There's also the problem that Alder Lake uses a hybrid design, with E-Cores that contribute little to gaming performance.
If Raptor Lake can beef up the number of P-cores, they may have half a chance. AMD already had the advantage on core count, going back to Zen 2 desktop CPUs. I think they will release 'RPL' come what may, and take the hit.
I apologise for saying RPL is not real before lol
. This was what made logical sense to me at the time - But hardware launches don't always have to make sense ofc.
I wonder if they are running into some difficulties with RPL though...
If Raptor Lake can beef up the number of P-cores, they may have half a chance. AMD already had the advantage on core count, going back to Zen 2 desktop CPUs. I think they will release 'RPL' come what may, and take the hit.
I apologise for saying RPL is not real before lol
. This was what made logical sense to me at the time - But hardware launches don't always have to make sense ofc.I wonder if they are running into some difficulties with RPL though...
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Yes they've only shown a few gaming benchmarks (although now against both 5900X and 12900K), yesterday alongside that slide they re-iterated a 15% average across their suite of gaming benchmarks, previously they've given a number of 10-25% in non-gaming tasks/overall. As mentioned I was only going by their numbers.
Clearly some tasks will benefit hugely from the drastically increased cache, others won't benefit much or at all.
In recent history the numbers they give seem to match up pretty well with reality though, so whilst obviously need to wait for independant reviews for verification it's a reasonable basis to consider.
server buyers knew what 3D cache did and why amd making strides there...
That should tell you something
"I would say that you should expect that AM5 will be a long-lived platform as AM4 has been".
Another reason to wait for AM5:
https://www.techpowerup.com/290648/amd-socket-am5-a-long-lived-platform-ceo
I really think this something Intel needs to learn from, upgradability matters to desktop PC owners.
Another reason to wait for AM5:
https://www.techpowerup.com/290648/amd-socket-am5-a-long-lived-platform-ceo
I really think this something Intel needs to learn from, upgradability matters to desktop PC owners.
I wouldn't be jumping on first gen of AM5 given that most the early AM4 boards had CPU support discontinued before the end the sockets life span.
Zen 5 is the time to upgrade IMO as by then any platform teething issues should be ironed out and DDR5 will have also matured and hopefully the costs have come down.
Zen 5 is the time to upgrade IMO as by then any platform teething issues should be ironed out and DDR5 will have also matured and hopefully the costs have come down.
Well if the choice is AM5 or ADL and that is the only option I would wait. AM5 will be a beast and much better value for money as AMD are already saying they hope to support the platform for multiple CPU generations which just won’t happen with intel.
I watched various popular leakers from youtube, everyone expect Zen 4 to beat Raptor Lake with 5 ghz clock, IPC, and that's without better integration of v-cache, v-cache will further increase gaming performance, can't wait to buy it and combine with new generation Nvidia gpu, AMD + Nvidia = winning combination 
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.I’ll be jumping on AM5, Zen4 and DDR5. Highend quality motherboard and probably the top end CPU. Fingers crossed that will last for many generations of AM5 chips again. I’ll then slowly migrate everything else over to AM5.
Hopefully Intel will have restored the majority of the GPU market by second half of the year, but I think I’ll still be b0rking at the highend graphics card prices.
Hopefully Intel will have restored the majority of the GPU market by second half of the year, but I think I’ll still be b0rking at the highend graphics card prices.