Fines for toxic waste... the law is a joke.

[SexyGreyFox]

"a 26-week sentence, suspended for a year." - so utterly meaningless for someone like him.

I'm not a law expert but does this mean if he doesn't tidy up he will end up doing his sentence?

 

[dowie]

Its not so strange, the fine, when you know that if he declared bankruptcy then the EA have to pay to clean it up.

They can't do that as they don't have the funds themselves.
But, now he's been found guilty the business will have to become permitted- by the EA.
They charge according to the hazardous rating and each infringement pages up the price of a permit -EA quids in.

The land owner will most likely end up footing the bill as its now a known waste hazard.

The business is shut down, he has another business now as does the previous director according to companies house. You can’t just declare bankruptcy if you have assets, the fines apply to him as a result of his criminal behaviour.

I'm not a law expert but does this mean if he doesn't tidy up he will end up doing his sentence?

I’d be surprised, it’s taken them three years to take him to court initially, I suspect that’s it. Not sure whether he can be tried again for the same offence here unless he adds more waste or does the same thing elsewhere?

 

[m4rmite]

The business is shut down, he has another business now as does the previous director according to companies house. You can’t just declare bankruptcy if you have assets, the fines apply to him as a result of his criminal behaviour.




I’d be surprised, it’s taken them three years to take him to court initially, I suspect that’s it. Not sure whether he can be tried again for the same offence here unless he adds more waste or does the same thing elsewhere?

But what assets does he legally own?
Most likely nothing in his name.

 

[dowie]

But what assets does he legally own?
Most likely nothing in his name.

The previous director appears to have a massive house on a road where the average house is worth over 1 million, not sure about the guy prosecuted though.

In the second case mentioned from a few years ago, that guy also has a massive house and a bunch of cars in the picture posted above.

I'm not sure on what basis you'd assume he has nothing in his name.

I also wonder why they haven't gone for a fraud conviction - presumably the customers thought they were paying for recycling services.

 

[Energize]

I also wonder why they haven't gone for a fraud conviction - presumably the customers thought they were paying for recycling services.

Probably too hard to convict, I'd imagine you'd need to prove he intended to dump the waste at the point of selling the service.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

Source?

Blasphemy laws were abolished in 2008.

Sure if your saying something about Christianity, but any other religion and it'll be treated as a hate crime by the plod!

 

[m4rmite]

The previous director appears to have a massive house on a road where the average house is worth over 1 million, not sure about the guy prosecuted though.

In the second case mentioned from a few years ago, that guy also has a massive house and a bunch of cars in the picture posted above.

I'm not sure on what basis you'd assume he has nothing in his name.

I also wonder why they haven't gone for a fraud conviction - presumably the customers thought they were paying for recycling services.

His house could be mortgage up to the hilt with very little equity with the bank owing the majority.

Cars could be on pcp or leased through the business.
Having worked over a decade in the oil & waste industry i know full well these people know how to avoid prosecution.

I also know the EA have double standards on small businesses who have no regard for the law, they tend to target more respectable companies over small things.

 

[Energize]

Sure if your saying something about Christianity, but any other religion and it'll be treated as a hate crime by the plod!

It's not blasphemy that's the crime now, it's worse. Anything that someone finds offensive is punishable by our circus of a judicial system, the judges, prosecutors, and juries in these cases deserve everything they get when they undermine the fundamental liberties of our society quite frankly.

 

[StriderX]

It's not blasphemy that's the crime now, it's worse. Anything that someone finds offensive is punishable by our circus of a judicial system, the judges, prosecutors, and juries in these cases deserve everything they get when they undermine the fundamental liberties of our society quite frankly.

Those people are simply working within the realms of legislation and juries are a fundamental liberty.

 

[Energize]

Those people are simply working within the realms of legislation

Nuremberg defence, always a classic.

juries are a fundamental liberty.

Indeed because they can act as a check and balance to nullify these sort of laws, if they go along with instructions they are complicit.

 

[dowie]

His house could be mortgage up to the hilt with very little equity with the bank owing the majority.

Cars could be on pcp or leased through the business.
Having worked over a decade in the oil & waste industry i know full well these people know how to avoid prosecution.

Could be but seems rather unlikely given the sheer number of flash cars.

They haven't avoided prosecution, the guy in the first instance has been prosecuted and plead guilty (as has the guy in the second case too) the prosecutions have lead to (relatively) limited consequences for them.