That is also a misnomer - it depends on who paid for what features in teh game - some games are funded in part by Nvidia and use a lot of ray Tracing (CP2077), whereas other also use Ray Tracing but not as much (Far Cry 6 - AMD supported title). Also AMD have FSR now, there version of DLSS.
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I'm gonna start a war....6900XT vs 3080ti
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That is also a misnomer - it depends on who paid for what features in teh game - some games are funded in part by Nvidia and use a lot of ray Tracing (CP2077), whereas other also use Ray Tracing but not as much (Far Cry 6 - AMD supported title). Also AMD have FSR now, there version of DLSS.
Completely agree.
As for OP questions, depends on how much you value RT + DLSS. Only thing amd cards have going for them imo is more vram of which still has yet to show any real value, will it be better for future longevity? Perhaps but then the lack of RT perf. isn't going to be any good going forward considering that amd cards have already been making compromises since their release with regards RT graphical settings i.e. reduced vastly or even off completely....
It's a perfectly valid point he made and one that most people tend to make, I rather have all the performance I can get when talking about the 30-60/70 fps range i.e. such as in control, cp2077, metro etc. than have more performance in the 120+ range i.e. as per hitman
Even in AMD sponsored titles, amd cards take a big hit in performance when RT gets turned on:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/oudbtc/rx6800xt_vs_rtx3080_realtime_ray_tracing/
FSR is not in the same league as DLSS and is not really meant to be compared to dlss, if anything, it's better to compare nvidias NIS to FSR (amd have said this themselves). Once RDNA 3 comes out, we'll see amds real competitor to DLSS.
Also, not 100% confirmed but it seems like amd aren't even properly rendering ray tracing in games either, some guy pointed out the problems in this recent comparison and said he noticed the same as well as in watch dogs legion, would be interesting to see some more in depth analysis on this and if it is an issue with amds RT hardware or/and amd drivers or/and the games ray tracing implementation or if it is a system end issue....
But might be worth bearing in mind if you want better image "quality".
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oooof don't go saying things like that. Someone will be in here with a wall of repost with one single example of 1fps from some website in another language, and say it's a standard finding in all techpress, so common, it's in all reviews apparently. Then asks his groom of the stool to verify his view.
In other news, lots of websites say chemtrails are true, so must be.
I don't really think this thread is a war. The people that will buy each of these cards will have major reasons and it's really not something you can persuade someone about. I've personally had bad AMD driver issues with dual GPU cards and maybe this has tainted my purchases but nvidias dual gpu drivers have never really caused me problems.
Quiet tame for page 3, expecting this thread to have imploded by now.
There are pro's and cons for both GPU's which has probably already been said.
Best thing to do is look at the features and speed of both and decide which has the more appropriate ones for your needs.
There are pro's and cons for both GPU's which has probably already been said.
Best thing to do is look at the features and speed of both and decide which has the more appropriate ones for your needs.
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oooof don't go saying things like that. Someone will be in here with a wall of repost with one single example of 1fps from some website in another language, and say it's a standard finding in all techpress, so common, it's in all reviews apparently. Then asks his groom of the stool to verify his view.
In other news, lots of websites say chemtrails are true, so must be.
Considering OP does not like to swap out cards every couple of years he is doing the right thing by taking onboard the advice here and waiting to get the 3090 FE when it drops next. It has the VRAM and all the features and is under budget.
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The majority on here are nVidia fans so the suggestions were always going to lean toward 3080 ti.
DLSS still has ghosting problems even now, so its nothing like perfect. Different solution, different challenges between the diferent approaches ; even Nv are bringing a more agnostic coultion to teh table (and reddit has AMD are still working on Direct ML and its own newer upscaling tech). Makes for interesting times, however i am of firmly the camp that native is the way forward , and thats owning both Nv and AMD cards this gen.
Any support for your allegation for `arnt rendering properly` - this is the first anyone has heard of it? Or was it 1 comment from 1 person on a Quora post? I remember the uproar over 1 6900XT falling over in New World when hundreds of 3090 were blowing up - which turned out to be the guys psu.
AMD are better at less on screen DXR, which is ofc down to having less hardware for it (not the overdone CP2077 or Control), , which if you notice are Nvidia sponsored (read, paid for games), just as Far Cry 6 is AMD paid for. Which i already said.
As for drivers, Nvidia`s are absolutely shoddy for the last 18 months - 1 example is this larghe thread : GeForce 461.09 Game Ready Driver Fee | NVIDIA GeForce Forums .
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Off topic - Change your page settings! How do you cope with such short pages?!
On-topic, a lot of people will just buy whatever they can at a decent price, I suspect!
I don't think anyone has said dlss is "perfect"? But it is a damn sight better than anything else on the market right now. Also, the ghosting issues are exaggerated, there has been plenty of in depth analysis of the new versions of dlss to show that unless you are really pixel peeping, it's pretty much a non issue, not to mention, no one seems to mention about TAAs considerably worse motion issues? Of which is why DLSS is often a far better solution, this is why FSR is considerably worse as it just "enhances" all of the native/TAAs IQ defects further (why I always turn if off). I have no doubt AMDs version will be great but as mentioned, that won't happen until RDNA 3.
DLSS, FSR, NIS etc. etc. are here to stay, even if next gen cards give us all the horse power we need to brute force 4k natively, as has been shown, they are all fairly easy and quick to implement now so no reason not to, especially since dlss can often provide better than "native + TAA" quality.
As per my wording:
It's the first I've seen it mentioned/highlighted but definitely seems like something to look out for since that is 2 people mentioning it so far.
Define "overdone"? Overdone because one side can't handle more than a couple of effects and/or higher resolutions? If anything, even NVidia's sponsored RT games could be considered "underdone" in terms of the RT effects... in a few years time, the RT games we have then are going to make cp 2077, metro, control etc. look like cartoons in comparison when it comes to RT lighting, shadows, reflections etc.
As anyone with any experience/knowledge of pcs in general would know, when it comes to drivers etc., it is often a user end issue, I'm sure we could easily go through both sides driver threads and pick out any old issue and then just go "oh everyone must be having this problem!!!".... I came from a long line of amd gpus to the 3080 and never had any issues with either amd or nvidia drivers (usually install most recent after a couple of days of them being out). AMD are better in terms of their presentation and smoothness/quickness but given I and I imagine most people... practically never go back in the control panel outside of the initial setup, it's not exactly a big deal, although I have found nvidia to provide far more features/options overall (especially for quality in terms of recording, DLDSR, in game filters) although again, not something I make as much use of....
Nexus, look at BF V and DXR, patches had to reduce the amount of ray tracing as it hammered the performance even with dlss; reduce render resultion target ( eg 1080p for 4k, for performance mode) and it becomes noticeable. HUB said it best when it would be the next gen after ampere for much better ray tracing.
RT will only be better/more efficient when it stops being a feature and instead becomes the replacement lighting solution. Long way off from that becoming mainstream, but it will become more common so if you want to use it in the future, NVIDIA is really the only option.
Bf 5 was the first game to add RT.... so I wouldn't say it is a great example (in fact it is the worst example for RT along with shadow of the tomb raider....) given that we have games such as control, CP2077, metro, bright memory etc. which all use far more RT effects (BF 5 only had RT reflections and even then it was only in a handful of surfaces) and run far better when using all the extra RT goodness so again, lets not take 1 case and assume that is the same across the board....
Also, because of how many games have RT now and the superior advantage of ampere RT ability, that was a big factor for HUB decisions on the best GPU architecture for the year.
Dying light 2 is out on Friday and is potentially looking to be the new or second best for its RT implementation, iirc, has more RT effects than cp2077 etc.
Essentially RT has come a long way since turing and BF 5 days....
The method used in games a huge fudge anyway and isnt proper ray tracing anyway. It`ll be another generation of cards (or 2) before it becomes the norm (if it ever does), its a niche feature now as it is, rasterization is still the main methods in 90% of games .
Yeah sadly we won't be seeing many ray tracing only titles like metro exodus enhanced or the announced upcoming avatar game. As long as we keeping getting some games like cp 2077, control, dying light 2, I'll be happy enough with them kinds of RT games. As shown, RT makes a big difference in these games. There have been some rumours of remasters too i.e. batman arkham knight with RT
Will be selling my RTX 3090 and 6900XT for the next gen anyway (once ordered and in my hands lol). Ray Tracing is in 1 title i play as it is; found Control to be nothing more than a tech demo, did batman to death with PhysX (still have a PhysX card from back in the day), got bored of CP2077 once completed it